What Did You Do With the Money?

Ringo Starr: What money?

Stuttering John: The money your mother gave you for singing lessons.

Ringo Starr: I spent it on fish and chips?

I will be asking a version of this question today of the Union County commissioners at their zoom meeting though it will relate to the money that they claimed was going into the the state retirement system for their employees.

Union County budgets are often not so much exegetical as creative fiction. There are, of course, those made up numbers to justify stealing the Open Space tax and matching salaries by department is a crapshoot but you would think that payments to the Public Employees (PERS) and Police and Firemens (PFRS) Retirement Systems would be easy to check since the state sends out an invoice which most counties plug into their budget documents. Not so in Union County recently and what I will be questioning today:

As per the instructions on the website I prefer not to participate in the teleconference but have two questions for the record of the commissioners at the April 8, 2021 meeting regarding the 2021 budget. The questions are below:

In regard to the amounts budgeted for county contributions to the Public Employees’ Retirement System (PERS) and the Police and Firemen’s Retirement System (PFRS) the amounts listed on Sheet 21 are $17,819,400 and $17,004,791. However, per the state website the amounts billed and payable in April, 2021 were $17,669,400 and $16,688,596 respectively. 

Question 1: To where is the additional $150,000 and $316,195, respectively, budgeted?

Question 2: Going back to the 2007 payments and including these for 2021 Union County has reported $1,943,150 in payments greater than what the state billed. Who got this additional money?

Backup data attached:

1) Appropriations pages on PERS and PFRS contributions going back to 2005.

2) Listing of PERS deposits taken from check registry data compared to budgeted amounts by year.

3) Listing of PFRS deposits taken from check registry data compared to budgeted amounts by year.

82 responses to this post.

  1. Posted by Rex the Wonder Dog!๐Ÿถ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿพ on April 8, 2021 at 10:34 am

    “What Did You Do With the Money?
    Dougie/Earth/Anonymous/A/Surrender-Monkey/Air-Head: What money?

    @https://burypensions.wordpress.com: The money your mother gave you to buy a minimum level of intelligence.

    Dougie/Earth/Anonymous/A/Surrender-Monkey/Air-Head: I spent it an air pump, to refill my brain?”
    Drum Roll Please ๐Ÿ’… That’s the end of the show for tonight Kids, be sure to tip your waitress on your way out ๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿพ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿพ

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  2. Posted by Tough Love on April 8, 2021 at 11:20 am

    You’ll only get …………

    “We’ll have someone look into that”, or

    “We’ll have to get back to you”

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    • Very likely but I did submit the question on Monday so there is a chance it was forwarded and they might have something.

      I also looked into other counties but do not have that ready since only 13 of the 21 counties had their budgets up. So far most match exactly.

      Will have a blog on that when all budgets out. UC zoom meeting is at 5 so should have a blog with whatever answer later today.

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  3. Posted by A on April 8, 2021 at 11:43 am

    Just fund the damn pensions you one trick phony.ยฉ

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    • Posted by Tough Love on April 8, 2021 at 12:21 pm

      LOL ……….. just noticed it last night …………

      Verizon FIOS has a Channel (#614), the “Cheddar Business Stream” with a show called the “Light Bulb moment”.

      I started laughing historically, thinking of YOU …………, this Blog’s resident Retired Calif. Public Sector Light-Bulb-Changer.

      ——————-

      Yeah, a “no-trick” Light-Bulb-Changer

      STOP OVER-PROMISING AND THE PENSION BILLS GET A LOT SMALLER

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      • Posted by Rex the Wonder Dog!๐Ÿถ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿพ on April 8, 2021 at 12:49 pm

        Yeah, a โ€œno-trickโ€ Light-Bulb-Changer

        STOP OVER-PROMISING AND THE PENSION BILLS GET A LOT SMALLER
        Come ON~ Get serious TL, Dickwad Dougie cannot even change a lightbulb by himself, he needs help even with that GED gov task ๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ˜Ž

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  4. Posted by A on April 8, 2021 at 12:28 pm

    You are easily amused. How long were you laughing historically?

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    • Posted by Tough Love on April 8, 2021 at 12:30 pm

      Until I remembered what a sad sad sad case you really are.

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      • Posted by Rex the Wonder Dog!๐Ÿถ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿพ on April 8, 2021 at 12:52 pm

        Until I remembered what a sad sad sad case you really are.
        Well, Dougie isn’t the BRIGHTEST light bulb in the Gov workforce ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ

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        • Posted by Tough Love on April 8, 2021 at 2:04 pm

          Maybe Stephen taught that guy that ladder stand-off maneuver.

          I’m sure OSHA would love it !

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  5. Posted by NJ2AZ on April 8, 2021 at 1:00 pm

    i’d like to see a movie where the regulars here in the comments section are all forced to live/work together in an end of the world scenario or zombie apocalypse or something

    it’d be an action comedy for sure

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    • Posted by Rex the Wonder Dog!๐Ÿถ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿพ on April 10, 2021 at 12:05 pm

      iโ€™d like to see a movie where the regulars here in the comments section are all forced to live/work together in an end of the world scenario or zombie apocalypse or something

      itโ€™d be an action comedy for sure
      LOL… a 24/7/365 spin off of “The Real World”. A saga of public sector vs private sector workers. Cops, Firewhiners, Teachers vs the “Real Workers of America”, the private sector, all of US. Now that would be a ratings bonanza.
      ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‹๏ธโ€โ™‚๏ธ๐Ÿ‹๏ธโ€โ™‚๏ธ๐Ÿ‹๏ธโ€โ™‚๏ธ

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  6. Posted by MJ on April 8, 2021 at 7:12 pm

    TL, why must you make fun of A. Whether you agree with whatever his job was or not, if he made an honest day’s pay for an honest day’s work, cut the guy a break.

    It’s really not nice to make fun of people now is it? Be kind ๐Ÿ™‚ and make your point in a nice way if you can.

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    • Posted by E on April 8, 2021 at 7:22 pm

      I agree. Itโ€™s the same way she posts links to cops who do wrong but never the other way. Some of these light bulbs on the highway are 15 stories of the ground. TL wouldnโ€™t have the balls to do that. Neither would Rex and neither would I quite candidly. Lol. The lack of civility is telling.

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      • Posted by Tough Love on April 8, 2021 at 8:21 pm

        Quoting E …………… “Itโ€™s the same way she posts links to cops who do wrong but never the other way. ”

        So how many times have YOU commented on the ongoing George Floyd murder trial. YOU know Derek Chauvin is guilty as shit. One by one EVERYONE in Law enforcement is testifying AGAINST him.

        Everyone is burying him with evidence. And being a Police Office, they can’t put him in with the general Prison population, so he’ll likely spend his (well deserved) 30+ year sentence alone.

        I get sick to my stomach every time I here more testimony on the news. Almost 4 MORE minutes on his neck AFTER he stopped moving.

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        • Posted by PS Drone on April 8, 2021 at 9:11 pm

          See comment below

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        • Posted by E on April 8, 2021 at 9:15 pm

          Iโ€™ve never defended Chauvin. And in fact, when it happened strongly condemned him. As I do now. My guess is he does between 15-20 years.
          It just so happens that you almost never have anything nice to say about me or A. As MJ says, regardless of what we did/do for a living. That fact that we are public employees makes your default position to be not to like us. All on here know that. And it has nothing to do my commentary or lack thereof on the Floyd case.

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          • Posted by Tough Love on April 8, 2021 at 9:53 pm

            Biden has “policy” issues, some of which I agree with, and some I don’t.

            Trump’s situation is different. HE ……. personally ……. is an extraordinarily defective human being. “HE” is un-fixable and America should NEVER have such a person as it’s President.

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          • Posted by Rex the Wonder Dog!๐Ÿถ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿพ on April 8, 2021 at 10:48 pm

            Trumpโ€™s situation is different. HE โ€ฆโ€ฆ. personally โ€ฆโ€ฆ. is an extraordinarily defective human being. โ€œHEโ€ is un-fixable and America should NEVER have such a person as itโ€™s President.
            The TDS runs strong in this ^^^ one

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          • Posted by Rex the Wonder Dog!๐Ÿถ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿพ on April 8, 2021 at 10:51 pm

            I love you too much TL to see you melt your mind away… Here is some TDS med’s I have to cure your TDS, take it twice a day, in 20 minute doses, for 3.5 years, until November 20, 2023 ๐Ÿ™‚

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    • Posted by Tough Love on April 8, 2021 at 8:11 pm

      MJ,

      Look at the comments above ……….. he started it.

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    • Posted by Rex the Wonder Dog!๐Ÿถ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿพ on April 8, 2021 at 9:01 pm

      TL, why must you make fun of A. Whether you agree with whatever his job was or not, if he made an honest dayโ€™s pay for an honest dayโ€™s work, cut the guy a break.
      When Gov light bulb changers get paid $100K+/year in compensation there is some doubt as to whether that constitutes an “honest day’s work”. Some might even call that felonious fraud ๐Ÿ‘
      Itโ€™s really not nice to make fun of people now is it? Be kind ๐Ÿ™‚ and make your point in a nice way if you can.
      MJ … come on now!!!๐Ÿค๐Ÿค๐Ÿค … the Internet was MADE for trolling! What fun would these bitch fest sessions be without some good natured fun at Monkey Boi’s expense๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ’๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ’๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ’….

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      • Posted by Tough Love on April 8, 2021 at 10:27 pm

        Just dawned on me …………

        On Road work gigs, NJ Police get paid “through” their regular Police employer but they are really “working” for a PRIVATE entity WHO PROVIDES THE FUNDS TO PAY THEM ……… the Utility or Contractor doing the work.

        So…….. as Private employment, do Police working on such gigs pay Social Security Taxes on that income ? If not, WHY not ?

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        • Posted by E on April 9, 2021 at 6:30 am

          Because we are still working for the town in an official police capacity. And then the town wouldnโ€™t be able to collect its 15% admin fee and charge for use of cars correct? Somehow, an officers personal car wouldnโ€™t offer the same protection. Lol. But you know this already. Youโ€™re not stupid, just mean and jealous. Even though you have it quite good yourself.

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          • Posted by Tough Love on April 9, 2021 at 11:42 am

            BS …………. and you know it . The MONEY to pay you comes from the Utility/Contractors.

            The Officers and the patrol car should be replaced by a $20/hr (max) “flagman” holding a “Go/Stop” sign, and in the RARE cases where necessary, a utility truck with a flashing yellow light.

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          • Posted by Rex the Wonder Dog!๐Ÿถ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿพ on April 9, 2021 at 12:54 pm

            TL is spot on here, there is NO LEGIT REASON to use a $100/hour sworn LEO for basically ass sitting. Completely useless, but STANDARD operating procedure for Gov and their employees… As someone pointed out in another thread, out of a 2.1 TRILLION Gov “Infrastructure Plan” we will be lucky if we get a $100K of legit labor in return.

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          • Posted by E on April 9, 2021 at 2:45 pm

            They have no authority to close a road. And the rate is higher than $20 an hour. But you know all this.

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          • Posted by Tough Love on April 9, 2021 at 3:01 pm

            Oh Please, you (police) don’t WANT anyone but Police to have such “authority” just so the ridiculous ($110-$125/hr) rip-off can continue.

            Procedures could EASILY be established for a Utility or contractor to close a road where the work requires it W/O Police having ANY involvement.

            It’s just one more example of the “mooching”.

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    • Posted by Tough Love on April 8, 2021 at 8:27 pm

      Amazing …………. Biden wants to do something about the gun violence, but without incarceration.

      I say go the OTHER way. ANYONE caught with an illegal weapon (even when NOT used in any crime) automatically gets a MINIMUM 5 years in prison.

      Fire an illegal weapon at someone and the minimum goes to 10 years …. if you don’t hit anyone. EVEN if you’re attacked …… BECUASE you’re NOT supposed to be carrying an illegal weapon,

      F*** all the crazy’s carrying illegal weapons.

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      • Posted by E on April 8, 2021 at 9:25 pm

        I agree with you. Just as the jurors did witb Goetz. Charge for the illegal gun. Problem is your average guy around here canโ€™t carry a gun for self defense. But I beleive in strong sentences for crimes committed with a gun. That is severely lacking right now.
        And again, YOU voted for this guy. Liberals are a joke. All the bullshit about Trump and fascism and blah blah blah and it is the liberal who want to cancel and squelch the first and second amendments. In fact, Biden stated that there no amendment that is absolute. (Technically correct as there is a complex difficult process to repeal one of them) but if Trump or any other GOP made that statement they would be absolutely crucified by the left. Biden is doing a terrible job by most metrics. Harris is no better. The border situation is a disgrace and they blame Trump. Typical.

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        • Posted by Tough Love on April 8, 2021 at 9:56 pm

          Biden has โ€œpolicyโ€ issues, some of which I agree with, and some I donโ€™t.

          Trumpโ€™s situation is different. HE โ€ฆโ€ฆ. personally โ€ฆโ€ฆ. is an extraordinarily defective human being. โ€œHEโ€ is un-fixable and America should NEVER have such a person as itโ€™s President.

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  7. […] « What Did You Do With the Money? […]

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    • Posted by Tough Love on April 8, 2021 at 10:00 pm

      Lol ………. and who authored that ? Ann Coulter.

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      • Posted by Rex the Wonder Dog!๐Ÿถ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿพ on April 9, 2021 at 1:24 am

        If I were Chauvin I would be shitting my pants right now…. FEET off the ground- no excuses.

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    • Posted by A on April 9, 2021 at 1:07 pm

      Ann “Say anything you want about me as long as you spell my name right*” Coulter.

      Must be getting ready to bring out a new book?

      *”…as long as you spell my name right.” Original author… “Unknown”

      Spell it right.

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  8. Posted by A on April 8, 2021 at 9:46 pm

    New York is a walk in the park. You want to take your life in your hands, go to Alabama. Or any other red state.

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    • Posted by Rex the Wonder Dog!๐Ÿถ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿพ on April 8, 2021 at 11:11 pm

      Oh, I just LOVE how Monkey Boi Dougieee posts links/graphics from such reputable lefty tree hugging wing nut sites like “The Center for American Progress”๐Ÿคฎ๐Ÿคฎ๐Ÿคฎ๐Ÿคฎ
      .
      Hey Monkey Boi, did you read their “Mission Statement”:
      Our mission
      The Center for American Progress is an independent nonpartisan policy institute that is dedicated to improving the lives of all Americans, through bold, progressive ideas, as well as strong leadership and concerted action. Our aim is not just to change the conversation, but to change the country.

      ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ
      Gee, I wonder if Lefty Dougiee and his propaganda post are legit? HHhhhmmm…
      The Secret Donors Behind the Center for American Progress
      https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/secret-donors-behind-center-american-progress-and-other-think-tanks-updated-524/

      Wow, I am sure Monkey Boi didn’t know about THIS^^^^^
      But what about THIS:
      The Center for American Progress (CAP) and its parallel advocacy arm the Center for American Progress Action Fund (CAP Action) are two key cogs in the left-wing policy and message machine. Using the institutional imprimatur of CAPโ€™s โ€œthink tankโ€ and CAP Actionโ€™s blog ThinkProgress, CAPโ€™s directors and funders โ€” who include left-wing hedge fund titan George Soros โ€” attempt to move national policy debates ever leftward
      https://www.activistfacts.com/organizations/528-center-for-american-progress/

      No, say it isn’t SO DOUGIEEEEEEEEE๐Ÿ’๐Ÿ’๐Ÿ’
      Center for American Progress (CAP)
      Budget (2016):
      Revenue: $40,966,653
      Expenses: $40,435,643
      Assets: $56,129,436

      Type:
      Left-of-Center Think Tank

      >>>Founder: John Podesta<<<>>President: Neera Tanden<<<<

      Affiliates:
      Center for American Progress Action (CAP Action)

      The Center for American Progress (CAP) is a liberal Washington, D.C.-based think tank with strong ties to the Democratic Party establishment created in 2003 as the left-of-center alternative to the right-leaning Heritage Foundation. CAP was founded by John Podesta, former White House Chief of Staff for President Bill Clinton, Counselor to the President in the Obama White House, and chair of former U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clintonโ€™s 2016 Presidential campaign.[1] Podestaโ€™s goal, according to a New York Times article published when CAP was founded, was to โ€œbuild an organization to rethink the very idea of liberalism, a reproduction in mirror image of the conservative think tanks that have dominated the countryโ€™s political dialogue for a generation.โ€
      LOL@ Neera Tanden!!!!!!!!!
      You stupid idiot Dougieeee, take your bullshit propaganda and go take a few more hits off the crack pipe!

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    • Posted by A on April 9, 2021 at 12:12 pm

      Deaths Due to Injury by Firearms per 100,000 Population

      https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/firearms-death-rate-per-100000/?activeTab=map&currentTimeframe=0&selectedDistributions=firearms-death-rate-per-100000&sortModel=%7B“colId”:”Location”,”sort”:”asc”%7D

      Sources

      KFF analysis of Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), National Center for Health Statistics. Multiple Cause of Death 1999-2019 on CDC WONDER Online Database, released 2021. Data are from the Multiple Cause of Death Files, 1999-2019, as compiled from data provided by the 57 vital statistics jurisdictions through the Vital Statistics Cooperative Program. Accessed atย http://wonder.cdc.gov/mcd-icd10.htmlย on February 26, 2021.

      Alternatively, one could just ask the opinion of a random tourist from Kansas, where he has three times better chance of being killed by gunshot.

      New York city is not even in the top ten, for firearm deaths, or violent crime in general.

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  9. Posted by MJ on April 9, 2021 at 6:11 am

    E, don’t waste your time with TL. You will never figure out why she is so angry at the world. I’m sure her rage against the machine issues go way deeper than police pensions. It’s kind of you to try and be reasonable towards her.

    I wonder if all of the gun violence is due to the law abiding, licensed, responsible gun owners? as I’m sure all of the thugs, gang bangers, criminals and nut jobs are all following the same rules as we do ๐Ÿ™‚

    IMO as far as Chauvin, he wasn’t a good cop, but as far as I can see he just stayed on the guys neck/back for way longer than was necessary and this contributed to Floyd’s death as did the drugs and his resisting. Chauvin went way overboard and the situation got out of control. Never should have taken him out of the police car IMO. Since when do the criminals get to decide police procedure? I wonder if Chauvin is being judged by a jury of his “peers” and if he will really get a fair trial. He’s already been deemed guilty in court of public opinion and without any verdict the family was already awarded a 27m settlement

    If the mob doesn’t get what it wants, we will again have riots in the streets.

    Again, just MHO, I haven’t really been paying too much attention to the coverage.

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    • Posted by Marine1 on April 9, 2021 at 8:25 am

      MJ- Chauvin wasn’t a good officer at all. The thing I keep coming back to is this: It was the height of covid which means it was incredibly difficult to get someone held at a county jail,most police have no training in counterfeit currency. How about just taking his info and sending him on his way ? As you get older you figure out less is better.

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      • Posted by MJF on April 9, 2021 at 10:01 am

        I have been stuck with bogus bills, it is rare The store clerk flags it and tells me. I don’t expect to be killed by police over it.

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        • Posted by PS Drone on April 9, 2021 at 10:28 am

          He killed himself. Read the autopsy report. If they left him in his car he would have expired anyway. 2 times the fatal quantity of Fentanyl ++ others in his blood. Bad look and timing by the police.

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          • Posted by Tough Love on April 9, 2021 at 11:59 am

            Drug users develop a MUCH higher tolerance for large doses before it becomes fatal.

            Did a Medical Doctor testify to what you stated ….. that he would have died anyway (with NO interaction with the Police) ?

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          • Posted by Tough Love on April 9, 2021 at 2:45 pm

            A follow-up question ………..

            If someone was on the way to off (kill) themself, but on the way, someone shot and killed them in a robbery, would that lessen the crime and it’s appropriate punishment ?

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          • Posted by Rex the Wonder Dog!๐Ÿถ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿพ on April 9, 2021 at 4:42 pm

            He killed himself. Read the autopsy report.
            Floyd died as a direct result of GED Dork cutting off his air supply while he was handcuffed face down for 9++ minutes. WHY was he doing that, kneeing his neck? No valid or legit reason. He would not have died “but for” that fact. Was it intentional? No. Was it likely, as a result of gross negligence? Yes. Game Over. It is involuntary manslaughter. Game Over For Good. GED Boi is going down for 5 years IMO.
            .
            I have a C-Note for conviction of involuntary manslaughter or higher. Who wants that action? Step up, I will be glad to separate you from your $$$$

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          • Posted by Rex the Wonder Dog!๐Ÿถ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿพ on April 9, 2021 at 4:46 pm

            If someone was on the way to off (kill) themself, but on the way, someone shot and killed them in a robbery, would that lessen the crime and itโ€™s appropriate punishment ?
            No.
            If GED Boi took even 5 MINUTES off of Floyd’s life he is still liable, 100%.

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          • Posted by Tough Love on April 9, 2021 at 5:05 pm

            Article: “Heart disease, fentanyl were not the direct cause of George Floyd’s death, medical examiner says”

            https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/09/us/derek-chauvin-trial-george-floyd-day-10/index.html

            Quoting from that article……..

            “George Floyd’s heart disease and use of fentanyl were not the direct cause of his death, the medical examiner who performed his autopsy testified in the trial of former police officer Derek Chauvin.

            Hennepin County Chief Medical Examiner Dr. Andrew Baker ruled Floyd’s death last May a homicide and identified the cause as “cardiopulmonary arrest” that occurred during “law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression.””

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    • Posted by Tough Love on April 9, 2021 at 11:52 am

      My accuruately pointing out unnecessary and material abuse of the Taxpayers (in the case of excessive pensions & benefits*) or Ratepayers (in the case of Utility raod construction gigs) isn’t anger. It’s frustration with the absurdity of the current structure, and displeasure with those (the RECIPIANTS of the money underlying the abuse) continually trying to justify the unjustifiable.

      * resutling in grossly excessive Total Compensation (wages + pensions + benefits)

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    • Posted by A on April 9, 2021 at 12:48 pm

      Your accuruately pointing out excessive benefits and pensions is skewed by your bias and preconceived notions, resutling in spreading your specious claims indiscriminately across the nation.

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      • Posted by Tough Love on April 9, 2021 at 2:37 pm

        Stephen,

        Any bias I might have (simply as a NJ Taxpayer/ratepayer), is certainly a VERY small percentage of your own bias (as a retired CA Public Sector worker now collecting one of CA’s absurdly generous …… via it’s formula and provisions ……. DB pensions)……… and always supportive of everything PUBLIC Sector, and with a to-hell-with-the-Taxpayers attitude.

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        • Posted by E on April 10, 2021 at 9:24 am

          No. Itโ€™s not a small % of his bias. It is more. 300% more. You donโ€™t see it. Everyone else in here does. Even if they agree with you. They see the same bias against Trump. You are obsessed with both issues and others as well to the point of. nastiness. Why would MJ who agrees with you for the most part state This? Because it is true. We all see it. Try being a little nicer and less adversarial once in a while.

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      • Posted by Rex the Wonder Dog!๐Ÿถ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿพ on April 10, 2021 at 11:33 am

        Your accuruately pointing out excessive benefits and pensions is skewed by your bias and preconceived notions, resutling in spreading your specious claims indiscriminately across the nation.
        Oh brother, I can’t believe what I just read…. My eyes must be LYING to me…


        Pot, meet Kettle.

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    • Posted by A on April 9, 2021 at 12:51 pm

      How do you even do that? Even if your device doesn’t have a spell checker, WordPress does it for you.
      Too bad they don’t have a logic filter.

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      • Posted by Rex the Wonder Dog!๐Ÿถ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿพ on April 9, 2021 at 4:45 pm

        Too bad they donโ€™t have a logic filter.
        Too bad you can’t get a refund from Mom and Pop over your deficient brain ๐Ÿ™‚

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  10. Posted by MJ on April 9, 2021 at 6:16 am

    Rex,

    Of course there will always be trolls and nut jobs on the social media and yes, the internet was made for trolling but I just think sometimes certain people go overboard that’s shy I’m not on social media anymore other than a check in here and there. Guess what, same old shit. I think we all need some new material.

    A little fun is good, a little ribbing and sometimes a slap down is needed for certain folks, you know who you are………

    How is the recall coming along in CA? I’ve been reading that Napa and Sonoma have been hit hard by the shut downs, wildfires and are just starting to re-open? We had a wonderful trip planned last May to go out there but obviously it was cancelled. Will have to decide if we want to plan again.

    Have a wonderful day everyone!

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    • Posted by Rex the Wonder Dog!๐Ÿถ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿพ on April 9, 2021 at 12:19 pm

      Gruscum Newsome., aka Gov HairGel is a f’ing moron. Little trust funder baby who is dumber than a bag of rocks. Plus the fact that he combs his hair slicked backed like Pat Riley (Gruscum is NO Pat Riley) makes him an even BIGGER Douchebag. The recall is going to be close. I predict Gruscum will survive it, BUT only by one of his slicked backed hairs….But I know Dougieeee loves this clown boi, probably has a giant oversized Gruscum poster above his bed that he worships every night before Mom tucks him in ๐Ÿคฎ๐Ÿคฎ๐Ÿคฎ

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  11. Posted by MJ on April 9, 2021 at 11:21 am

    Marine 1,

    Yes I agree, it would probably have been best that the cops just took down info and walked away. I also, agree that Chauvin was not a good cop based on his record. I keep coming back to why were they called in the first place? Floyd passed a phony 20.00 bill, he would have been long gone before the cops came. It also came to light that the store clerk and he were friendly because he was always in the store. Why didn’t the clerk just address it directly with Floyd? Why call the cops?

    Maybe the cops did try and take down Floyd’s info and would have let him walk except that it appears he started to give them a hard time? Chauvin took it way over the top no question, and again IMO it was a combo of the drugs in Floyd’s system, resisting and then Chauvin taking it way too far. Cops should have just left him in the car with windows open so he could breath.

    Another thing I find interesting, it came out somewhere that Floyd owned and was driving a Mercedes Benz SUV……what was his occupation to be able to afford the vehicle? IDK what year or what condition and not that it has anything to do with his death but I’m curious.

    Nobody expects to be killed by the police but as we all know these types of incidents can escalate quite quickly and turn deadly as in this case. That’s why it’s best to comply, don’t be a smart ass, keep your hands where they can be seen and cooperate as much as possible. All the rest can be sorted out later. Oh and it helps not to pass phony bills while being all drugged up too.

    Anybody looking into where the funny money came from?

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  12. Posted by Rex the Wonder Dog!๐Ÿถ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿพ on April 9, 2021 at 12:25 pm

    The thing is, when I was growing up in Krazee KA we have a 50 /50 mix of Repug and Dim Governors. And back before the early 1990’s I was a HARDCORE Dimocrap. And every single time a Repug was elected little regressive taxes were jacked, every single time. I HATED the Repugs, with a passion. I always wondered WHY ANY working class stiff would EVER vote Repug. Dip Shit Repug Gov Deukmejian was the FIRST idiot that brought MASSIVE financial harm to the poor of KA when he instituted fees for attending Community Colleges, which were FREE. Free to the poor and middle class. Did not cost a PENNY. State University was just $150/semester. But Gov Deukmejian and the Dim’s CHANGED all that in the mid-late 1980’s and especially in the early 1990’s. THAT is the time period when the Dim’s went DEEP into the Public Union back pockets and tossed the poor, middle class and everyone else UNDER THE BUS, so the Public Employees could be come millionaires. Now I hate the Dim’s even more the the Repugs… ๐Ÿคฎ

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    • Posted by Tough Love on April 9, 2021 at 2:40 pm

      Quoting …………

      “THAT is the time period when the Dimโ€™s went DEEP into the Public Union back pockets and tossed the poor, middle class and everyone else UNDER THE BUS, so the Public Employees could be come millionaires. ”

      Well stated (and equally applicable to NJ).

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    • Posted by A on April 9, 2021 at 3:27 pm

      Point of dissension; most California or New Jersey public workers will never be come millionaires (yours truly included).

      And the ones who do become millionaires are (ironically) most likely to be those considered “underpaid” by Biggs, and others.

      Pardon me, but your bias is showing.

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      • Posted by Rex the Wonder Dog!๐Ÿถ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿพ on April 9, 2021 at 4:32 pm

        Point of dissension; most California or New Jersey public workers will never be come millionaires (yours truly included).
        Point of dissension; never engage a Monkey Boi who has the intelligence equivalent to that of a 3rd grader with learning disabilities … ๐Ÿ’๐Ÿ’๐Ÿ’

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      • Posted by Tough Love on April 9, 2021 at 9:39 pm

        The millionaire via a DB Public Sector pension should be examined only for full career workers ……. with shorter career workers earning retirement savings from another job.

        Let see how hard it really is to get a Public Sector DB pension with a value upon retirement of $1 Million ……. meaning, how large would the monthly pension need to be to have a VALUE of $1 Million upon retirement.

        The follow are annuity factors* assuming retirement at ages 50, 55, and 60 (typical ages for various groups of Public Sector workers) using a unisex pension annuity mortality table and 4% interest.

        Age 50 ………. 17.56

        Age 55 ………. 16.29

        Age 60 ………. 14.63

        * Those Annuity factors (more fully defined as follows ………. the Present Value of a Single-Life Life Annuity Due of $1/yr starting at age “x” with $1/12 paid monthly) essential represent the Lump Sum $ value upon retirement of a pension of $1/12 per month payable at the beginning of each month.

        Using the $17.56 above, if we divide $1 Million by 17.56, we get $56,947.60. THIS is the ANNUAL pension (or $4,745.63 monthly) necessary to meet that “millionaire” level. In NJ, MOST Police retire after 25 years very close to age 50, with a pension equal to 65% of final wages. It certainly isn’t unusual for
        a northern NJ Police Officer at the end of his/her career (often promoted above Patrolman level) to have final wages of $150,000. This results in a pension of 65% x $150,000 = $97,500.

        That ALONE HAS A value OF $97,500 X 17.56 = $1,712,100. But shouldn’t we add to that the value of that Officer’s FREE retiree healthcare benefits ….. with a current cost (for family coverage) of over $35,000/yr until eligible for Medicare at age 65? Clearly (given the expected annual increases in medicare costs) that’s worth AT LEAST (65-50) x $35,000 = $525,000.

        Total for the Police Office = $1,712,100 + $525,000 = $2,237,100 PLUS the value of any terminal leave and unused sick day payouts.
        ————————–

        NJ Teacher pensions will be worth less. Lets assume they retire at age 55 with 30 years of service. Assuming $100,000 as a reasonable final wage, and using the NJ Teacher pension formula (for those now retiring) of 1/55 per year of service, with 30 years, this Teacher’s ANNUAL pension would be $100,000 x (30/55) = $54,545.50 (plus Social security). The pension ALONE has a value of 16.29 (from above) x $54,545.50 = $888,545. NJ teachers with over 25 years of service also get free retiree healthcare insurance. That’s worth AT LEAST another (65-55) x $35,000 = $350,000.

        Total for the Teacher = $888,545 + $350,000 = $1,238,545 PLUS the value (if any) of any terminal leave and unused sick day payouts.

        Yup ……… in NJ (and clearly in CA with even RICHER pensions), I’d bet that a VERY large percentage of full career Public Sector workers retire with a pension and retiree healthcare benefit package worth over $1 Million, and well OVER $1 Million for many.

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  13. Posted by A on April 9, 2021 at 11:08 pm

    Most public retirees are not full career workers.
    Most public retirees are not cops. Or teachers.
    Many public workers have FAS below $50,000.
    Many public workers retire above age 62.
    Anecdotally speaking, closer to 65, in the maintenance and clerical field.

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    • Posted by Tough Love on April 9, 2021 at 11:31 pm

      Which one of the 2 in the picture is you ?

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      • Posted by E on April 10, 2021 at 9:52 am

        To take the time to post that long spreadsheet working out the pension numbers is really beyond the pale. You mustnโ€™t have a jam packed weekend. Try planting some flowers or something nice and soothing. Obviously thinking of my soon to be $175,000 salary and $127,000 pension down the line stresses you. Combine that w the free health care and the traffic details and youโ€™ll have to up the blood pressure meds for sure. ๐Ÿคฃ

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        • Posted by Rex the Wonder Dog!๐Ÿถ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿพ on April 10, 2021 at 11:29 am

          Obviously thinking of my soon to be $175,000 salary and $127,000 pension down the line stresses you.
          Yep, that is what Puerto Rico, Centrals Falls RI, Stockton CA, Vallejo CA and Prichard AL also said.. … Hmmm… I wonder how things worked out for them???

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      • Posted by Rex the Wonder Dog!๐Ÿถ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿพ on April 10, 2021 at 11:22 am

        Which one of the 2 in the picture is you ?
        ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿ•๐Ÿ•๐Ÿ•๐Ÿ• Poor Dougieeeee… ๐Ÿ’

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  14. Posted by A on April 9, 2021 at 11:48 pm

    Close, though. It’s been a long time since I retired. According to Biggs;

    “Unions claim that no one works for government to get rich, but many public employees become “pension millionaires” along the way. In Nevada, an average full-career state worker can expect to receive $1.3 million in lifetime pension benefits. Alaska, California, Colorado and Oregon all pay lifetime benefits exceeding $1.2 million. A wealthy, high-cost-of-living state such as Connecticut offers more than $1 million in average lifetime benefits to full-career employees who retire today; so does a relatively low-cost state such as West Virginia.”
    (2014)

    Still, a lot of state workers are below average.

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    • Posted by Tough Love on April 10, 2021 at 12:00 am

      Wow, That was in 2014, 7 years ago.

      With 7 years of wage increases and CERTAINLY anyone retiring now has NOT being subject to any pension reforms (virtually always applying to only new hires) those quoted AVERAGE pensions are assuredly much greater today.

      Sure DOES look like MANY (perhaps MOST) full career Public Sector workers become pension MILLIONAIRES.

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      • Posted by E on April 10, 2021 at 9:54 am

        I classify a millionaire as someone who makes a mil a year or has much more than that in assests. Not someone who over the course of ten years will earn a million dollars. Thatโ€™s NOT a millionaire. Go jump in a lake.

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        • Posted by Rex the Wonder Dog!๐Ÿถ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿพ on April 10, 2021 at 11:42 am

          I classify a millionaire as someone who makes a mil a year or has much more than that in assests. Not someone who over the course of ten years will earn a million dollars.
          EG, of course this is how YOU classify a millionaire, you never graduated from college. You never took a basic course in statistics. You have trouble counting past 10 without your fingers. The “present value” cost to fund a pension that pays out a: 1) million ++; 2) Gold Plated Healthcare Everyone, for family; 3) Survivor Benefits to Spouse; 4) With almost ZERO chance of the $$ being depleted or short changed due to inadequate funding is worth a MINIMUM, at least $1.5 million +++++++

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  15. Yes, probably, and yet, Biggs only tells part of the story. Doesn’t mention the 12 percent average lower wage. Deferred compensation.

    Still, many lower paid workers will not meet that mark*, and according to Biggs, they are the ones overpaid the most; mathematically due for a trim.

    *Good news, worse news? As it turns out, I may be a millionaire yet. Not going through the record, but I have been retired 12 years this month (yay!) and have drawn total half a mill, +. Plus healthcare.

    I may need to…

    A. Apologize to a dog.

    B. Take my wife to dinner to celebrate. Our favorite restaurant just reopened, again.

    C. Sorry dog.

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    • Posted by Tough Love on April 10, 2021 at 9:31 am

      Quoting …………

      “Doesnโ€™t mention the 12 percent average lower wage. ”

      True, but even INCLUDING that lower average Public Sector wages, in 42 (45 with the greater value of job security included) of the 50 States, that Public Sector Wage DISADVANTAGE turns into a SIGNIFICANT Public Sector Total Compensation ADVANTAGE ………….. 23%-of-pay (33% with the greater value of job security included) in NJ and California.

      You have (many many times) stated that THAT (Total Compensation) is the proper item to use in compensation comparisons.

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      • Posted by E on April 10, 2021 at 9:56 am

        Blah blah blah. Shut the fuck up already. Try actually saying something interesting. You sound like the most boring person in the world. ๐Ÿ™„

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        • Posted by Rex the Wonder Dog!๐Ÿถ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿพ on April 10, 2021 at 11:49 am

          Blah blah blah. Shut the fuck up already. Try actually saying something interesting. You sound like the most boring person in the world. ๐Ÿ™„
          The TL-EG “Online Bromance” is officially over.
          ๐Ÿคธโ€โ™€๏ธ๐Ÿคธโ€โ™€๏ธ๐Ÿคธโ€โ™€๏ธ๐Ÿคธโ€โ™€๏ธ๐Ÿคธโ€โ™€๏ธ

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        • Posted by Tough Love on April 11, 2021 at 8:11 pm

          Quoting E ………….. “Blah blah blah. Shut the fuck up already. Try actually saying something interesting

          On the contrary, It’s both interesting and important that Stpehen Douglas gets caught in his repeated misinformation, omission of facts and lies.

          It is NOT true that the 23%-of-pay Higher Public Sector Total Compensation in NJ and CA is the MORE important material fact, and it’s omission no less important ?

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        • “Two hands clap and there is a sound. What is the sound of one hand?”

          Grasshopper does not understand. All things work together as a unit. A change in any one part causes a change in all others. A DB pension is deferred compensation. Lower wages now for higher pension later. Biggs was comparing only the “later”.

          Is “…itโ€™s omission no less important ?”

          Is it no less important that the alleged 23 percent is an average which is skewed by the lowest level of public workers?

          You can train a monkey* –how– to do math. If he doesn’t know –why–, he is wasting his time. And ours.

          *May be even a dog?

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          • Posted by Rex the Wonder Dog!๐Ÿถ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿพ on April 12, 2021 at 2:57 pm

            *May be even a dog?
            May BE even a dog?????

            3rd grade, go back and study this time Monkey Boi ๐Ÿ’๐Ÿ’๐Ÿ’

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  16. Posted by Rex the Wonder Dog!๐Ÿถ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿพ on April 10, 2021 at 11:20 am

    I may DO need toโ€ฆ

    A. Apologize to a dog MY INTELLECTUAL SUPERIOR.

    B. Take my wife to dinner to celebrate. Our favorite restaurant just reopened STUPID THIRD GRADE ASS BACK TO THIRD GRADE FOR REFRESHER MATH, again.

    C. Sorry dog I AM NO MATCH FOR YOUR SUPERIOR ANALYTICAL SKILLS AND THINKING.
    Fixed! You are more than welcome Monkey Boi ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿพ

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