Disloyal (2)

More excerpts from Michael Cohen’s book.

Although I never heard Trump use the N-word in my time spent with him, there were many times that he made racist comments….Trump was explaining his back-and-forth about not picking Kwame. “There was no way I was going to let this black fag win,” he said to me. (page 106)

“Tell me one country run by a black person that isn’t a shithole,” he would challenge me as he cursed out the stupidity of Obama. “They are all complete fucking toilets.” (page 107)

I knew he was going to drop a headline-making bombshell and the gullible reporter would have no clue that he or she was being played. This is a little-appreciated fact about his path to power. He screams about fake news and reporters being the enemies of the people, like a tin-pot dictator, but the truth was that the media’s psychotic fascination with Trump was one of the biggest – maybe the biggest – cause for his rise to power. (page 117)

Trump joked about Stone and what a crazy person he was, devoid of moral purpose and willing to do anything in service of himself or a politician he supported, always and only because it would benefit him personally. To Trump, those were good qualities to possess. (page 125)

If you knew Trump, as I did, the vulgarian salivating over beauty contestants or mocking Roger Stone’s propensity for desiring the male sexual organ in his mouth, as he would say less politely, you would have a hard time keeping a straight face at the sight of him affecting the serious and pious mien of a man of faith. I know I could hardly believe the performance, or the fact that these folks were buying it. (page 127)

“Can you believe that bullshit?” Trump said, with incredulity, and the evangelicals. “Can you believe people believe that bullshit?” (page 133)

[Jared] Kushner was supremely arrogant, a real snob, to be honest, with an exaggerated sense of his importance and intelligence. (page 151)

This mind meld is what I see every day as I sit in prison watching the nightly news from the White House. Trump’s staff and advisors aren’t all so stupid that they don’t understand, for example, that extorting the President of Ukraine to investigate Democratic candidate Joe Biden is a terrible, terrible idea and precedent, or that downplaying a global pandemic might work for one news cycle but will only harm innocent people over time. But witness the politicians and media folks like Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh making excuses for Trump, or saying he did nothing wrong. Or the pathetic spectacle of Rudy Giuliani committing harakiri for Trump, just like I used to do, somehow imagining that the fate that befell me and Roy Cohn won’t happen to him – as if the rules of gravity have been suspended magically. Think of all the responsible and conservative and moral, even devoutly religious, Trump supporters not just rationalizing or explaining away his transparent dishonesty, but actually turning it upside down and saying it’s perfectly normal. (pages 153-4)

Trump was constantly making errors, large and small, like pretty much any human being. The difference was that Trump would never acknowledge his errors. Hell, he wouldn’t just deny his own mistakes, he’d blame others, circular logic that best resembled a Mexican standoff that left everyone pointing their guns at each other – but never at Trump. (page 155)

This episode encapsulated my decade as Donald Trump’s personal lawyer. The lie turned into a delusion turned into a supposed reality and then a grievance, followed by more lies, more bullying, and ultimately the ruthlessness of New York real estate – where lying and cheating and stealing are the order of the day – unleashed on folks with no clue about the depravity and dishonesty of the TV star and self-styled mogul. (page 161)

Not that Trump would have cared. That was the whole point of the Trump legal strategy: to make it impossible for the little guy to stand up for his rights. And make no mistake, the lack of ethics applied equally to his three children, despite Ivanka’s carefully tended image – all them are like jackals when it comes to harming innocent businesspeople. (page 163)

The Boss had a unerring eye for sycophants: yes men, loyal soldiers, call them what you will. (page 165)

“Wait until you get backstage as these beauties are getting dressed and made up,” he said. “They are the finest pieces of ass from every state and country.” Every year Trump and I would flick through the photo book containing the shots of the contestants from all over the world in bathing suits. We were like a pair of fifth graders slobbering over the images, as we flipped form page to page weighing the merits of each entrants. (page 171)

I should stop here to comment on the common perception of Trump as a sleazy womanizer, constantly having sex with strangers as some kind of sex addict. That wasn’t how the Boss operated, no matter the popular view he encouraged. As you will see in the pages to come, Trump did have affairs with people like a porn star and a former Playboy centerfold, and I was assigned the task of hiding those trysts from his wife and the public. But he wasn’t a lothario and many, many women weren’t attracted to him at all – in fact, in my experience, the most attractive and intelligent women were often both repulsed and, in a strange way, pulled towards his money and power and prestige. (pages 175-6).

I have no idea what might have happened with the Boss the following year in Russia, when the Miss Universe pageant was held in Moscow, and according to the Steele Dossier, Trump allegedly had a group of prostitutes urinate on the bed in his hotel suite as a kind of symbolic insult to the Obamas, who had previously slept in that bed. (page 179)

If something didn’t work out for Trump to his satisfaction, he dropped the whole project instantaneously, or at least after he’d wallowed in his outrage and anger. The same went with people. Of debts. Or promises. (page 196)

No one spoke the truth to Trump, and I’m sure that is the case now that he’s turned the White House into the mirror image of his office in the Trump Tower, with yes men like me doing his bidding and never, ever, ever confronting him with reality. (page 197)

72 responses to this post.

  1. Posted by Rex the Wonder Dog! 🐶🐶🐶🦴🦴🦴 on September 9, 2020 at 5:40 pm

    Michael Cohen is a felon. That right there is all you need to know. He went to FEDERAL PRISON! Not a temp stay at County, but Big Boy Big House Federal Prison. BUT the part that really infuriates me the most, more than the gossipy bullshit tell-all grade school backstabbing, is that Cohen had, and will ALWAYS HAVE, a “fiduciary duty” to his client. Cohen has the HIGHEST duty, that of a fiduciary, to his client under the lawyer/client right to confidentiality and privacy. And Cohen just took a huge shit all over HIS fiduciary duty, a solemn obligation to his client. OK, Cohen was disbarred, and he is saying ‘who gives a fuck about a “fiduciary duty” to his client’ whom he blames for HIS own felonious conduct in getting disbarred. But ANY disbarred lawyer can re-apply to get re-instated. Disbarment is NOT “forever”. It is temporary. That is all disbarment is, a temporary vacation from the practice of law. Lasting only until the dirtbag can “rehabilitate” themselves before the State Bar. I would never, EVER trust anyone, about anything, on any topic, under any circumstances with that kind of red flag baggage hanging around their neck and tattooed across their forehead. F$#@K him.

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  2. Posted by MJF on September 9, 2020 at 8:21 pm

    The world is a better place after 40 years of Tony Robbins. Or Michael Cohen Kind of don’t think so. I don’t trust anybody either. Keep a clip in the Ruger.

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    • And keep it charged. Lol.

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      • Posted by Tough Love on September 9, 2020 at 8:31 pm

        “charged” ?

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        • Posted by MJF on September 9, 2020 at 9:08 pm

          My range teacher was a lovely elderly lady. She had a giant rifle collection. She would not let me say “clip”. “It’s a magazine”. Ok. She carried to grade school on her bicycle, dad told her not to come home without supper. She had a plastic she won at a state fair as a kid. Never loaded it because she was afraid it would blow up in her face. Funny.

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        • One in the chamber. Loaded so all you do is draw, aim and press the trigger.

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          • At TL. This would be a charged or loaded weapon.

          • As opposed to inserting a full or partially full magazine(clip) into a gun.
            If you insert the magazine into a weapon with the slide/action forward, a round will not be fed into the chamber. If you press the trigger, the gun will not fire.
            As opposed to pulling the slide backwards allowing a round to be fed into the chamber, or keeping the slide in the rear position while inserting the magazine. This will make the gun fully operational and a round will discharge upon pressing the trigger. (Barring a malfunction)

          • Posted by NJ2AZ on September 10, 2020 at 1:34 am

            E,

            i always figured al old timer like yourself still carried a revolver 😉 .

            You and TL can be Murtaugh and Riggs!

          • Posted by Tough Love on September 10, 2020 at 12:23 pm

            Interesting, never heard the word “charged” wrt a handgun. Sounded more like “charging” the compressed air for a pellet or paintball gun.

          • The correct term really should be chambering a round as opposed to charging. But everyone who knows a thing or two about guns knows what charging is. 😉

          • Posted by Tough Love on September 10, 2020 at 1:04 pm

            Chambering I HAVE heard of.

  3. Posted by Tough Love on September 9, 2020 at 9:22 pm

    Off Topic ……………

    And NONE of this bothers any of you who support Trump ??????

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/09/politics/dhs-whistleblower-white-supremacist-threat/index.html

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    • Posted by Anonymous on September 10, 2020 at 7:29 am

      Off Topic ……………

      And NONE of this bothers any of you who support Trump ?????
      ==
      Here we go AGAIN!!! Trump is gong t win, no question, deal with it TL, and stop being a little B*&%ch

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    • Good grief. How bad could it have been? I have had vicious employers, lasted a few months. It’s not like a waitress getting bent over the stove at closing time every night. Trump is mean no doubt but I think W, Hillary, Barack are truly vicious people. Trump not so much.

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  4. Posted by MJF on September 9, 2020 at 9:53 pm

    No. They could send Alfred E Neuman in there and I couldn’t give a fk. Buy yourself a firearm, you will feel better.

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    • Posted by Tough Love on September 9, 2020 at 9:59 pm

      Based on your prior comments, I was looking for a response from the more “normal” (Trump-supporting) crowd.

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      • Ok. One of my closest friends worked for Trump for 30 years, Yeah I know what he is. Tons of people do. So what. As you age you come to realize it doesn’t matter. All you have is yourself. Maybe family if you are lucky. Thinking one idiot political party will keep you breathing is a fools errand. Try not to get get too wrapped up in this nonsense, it isn’t healthy.

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        • Posted by Tough Love on September 9, 2020 at 11:51 pm

          Quoting …………

          “One of my closest friends worked for Trump for 30 years”

          WOW, he must have a VERY strong constitution to put up with that arrogant SOB for so long.

          I’d have great difficulty working for someone ACCURATELY described as …………. “a cheat, a liar, a fraud, a bully, a racist, a predator, a conman”

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  5. TL, assuming it’s true, yes it is disturbing but my problem is that it is just so hard to figure out what to believe. Whatever I read, I cut it in half then cut that in half again and maybe that much is true. Rarely believe anything that “I hear” as gossip or hear say, etc. as there is always, always a back story

    Cohen is another bitter ex employee, crooked scum bag lawyer who got caught with his hand in the cookie jar and went to jail and was disbarred. I’m sure he enjoyed any and all of life’s goodies partly from the money he made off Trump.

    Bitter, disgraced people always have skewed opinions. It’s never their own behaviors that got them into trouble, it’s always someone else.

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    • Politico
      “In sentencing the president’s former fixer, federal judge William H. Pauley III said in open court that Trump had directed his then-lawyer to commit a federal felony. This was in some respects a formality, a confirmation of a conclusion that prosecutors and the United States Probation Office had reached last week. But while it might have been a formality, it was important. No one in that courtroom, including the judge, disagreed that Trump directed Cohen to commit crimes.”

      Individual one is an unindicted conspirator, for now.

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    • Reporter to Kelley Anne Conway:
      “But Trump told the same lies Cohen did.”

      KAC:
      “But you don’t understand. Trump was not under oath.”

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  6. MJF…totally agree with you. Family, quality of life, one or two true friends, life experiences, helping others where we can is what’s important.

    You’re right, neither party is out to help anybody and they both get whackier with each election cycle. I always say…getting to wrapped up in any of it just isn’t healthy.

    I firmly believe that leaning way to far left or way too far right is a mental imbalance both psychologically and socially. It’s some type of disorder as you aptly state people just getting to wrapped up in it to the detriment of all else.

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    • Uh oh. Trump admitted that he lied to the American people about what he knew about Coronavirus. He is done.
      And we are done. Hello far left . Hello high crime and socialism.
      The Biden Admin will be on par with the Carter admin.
      Many many fence sitting voters will go Biden. Trump would’ve been better off denying.
      Let’s hope GOP keep the Senate.

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    • Posted by Anonymous on September 10, 2020 at 11:29 am

      He didn’t want to cause a panic. He lied for your own good.

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  7. Posted by Tough Love on September 10, 2020 at 11:58 pm

    Off Topic …………..

    E,

    Did you hear about the Bridgeport Ct. Police chief who has been arrested for (REALLY bad) cheating on the examination process to get the Chief’s job (among other things). See link below.

    If he is found guilty he’s got some serious potential jail time ahead, but there needs to ALSO be a serious financial penalty for doing this. Now I don’t know what (if any) provisions Ct. has for forfeiting one’s pension in such situations, and I’m not suggesting that because perhaps his past years may have been of honest service. So here’s my thoughts on a penalty.

    A penalty TRIPLE what he would have have gained by cheating, which would mean for each expected year that he would remain chief before retiring, add up the difference in wages. Then add to that the difference between his pension as chief and that of his prior rank (cola-increased if applicable) for the # of years until his tabular life expectancy (in the mid-low 80s). Then take that total (plus the value of any additional perks that come with being Chief) ….. i.e., his anticipated additional compensation from cheating …… and TRIPLE it as a financial penalty.

    PLUS, all the costs of the investigation.

    Your thoughts ?

    https://www.ctpost.com/local/article/FBI-Bridgeport-police-chief-personnel-director-15557287.php

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    • I think you’re overthinking it. He is facing federal charges with substantial time in prison. Forget the financial flow chart. If the offense is as serious as they are making it out to be, he probably won’t see much if any of it and may be in a cell for quite some time. I’m sure any deal to keep him out of prison will include a forfeit of everything or close to it. Federal charges are different. No parole etc. Not worth rolling the dice if they got the goods on him. He will plea. Very few beat the feds. Very few.

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    • Posted by NJ2AZ on September 11, 2020 at 11:35 am

      void all accruals since the first documented/verifiable illegal act, refund any employee contributions since that time, and base his pension on whatever is left (if its enough service time).

      seems the fairest to me.

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  8. Lied?? Please another ridiculous and over blown statement. One of the first things he did way back in January was to restrict flights from China and was crucified in the MSM for being racist.

    He was correct in NOT causing a panic much unlike the governors of NY and NJ who were shilling that the sky would fall out and people would be dying in the streets. Turns out, NY didn’t need that Navy medical ship after all as it sat idle. Turns out that most hospitals were not over run. Also turns out according to the CDC that the numbers were skewed.

    TL, do you ever read about any good in the world? Anything positive? Anything enlightening? Always pontificating to others what they should be doing, what they should be thinking, negativity, name calling. I guess this is what I read about those parents who indoctrinate their children with hatred of themselves, hatred of their country, promote a culture of anger in the home, being taught to disrespect authority……….and we wonder why young people are so misguided

    I know I always hear about negative people, I can’t say that I associate with any but girl you take the cake for hate and negativity.

    As far as you cheating police chief, of course he should be penalized and legal charges brought against him that’s a no brainer

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    • Yepper. My early years were Native communities. Survival training, hunting etc. were mandatory in grade school. I’d suggest rural for anyone for at least a couple of years. It calms your nerves. And you will be too busy to sweat. I know the high anxiety stuff, it is debilitating. Keep on keeping on.

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    • Posted by Tough Love on September 11, 2020 at 10:27 am

      MJ,

      I post a comment about a Police Chief who (it seems) criminally obtained that position, and often strongly advocate for material Public Sector pension/benefit reductions (from an obviously unnecessary/excessive/unaffordable level), but not only don’t disparage them, but support them and strongly oppose looting, violence, and anything but peaceful protest …… and you go up on me.

      Perhaps that’s the way you’re handling my very strong dislike of Pres. Trump, and it you who has a problem. For the life of me, I can’t understand how anyone can support misfit Trump, but I haven’t gone up on you for doing so.

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      • Posted by Tough Love on September 11, 2020 at 11:18 am

        THIS mentality, and the CONSEQUENCES of it (unnecessary Covid-19 deaths) are a direct result of Trump’s failed leadership.

        And the saddest part, is that he isn’t acting this way with the INTENT of harming Americans, but because his re-election is MORE important than anything else ……. including 10s of thousands of unnecessary deaths.

        https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/09/11/trump-rally-attendees-michigan-ctn-vpx.cnn

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      • TL. I love ya, I really do, but you have criticized Trump almost or even MORE than you have my pension and bennies(I assume you feel he is the far worse Problem in your mind).
        You are getting the same reaction from Rex and MJ that I USED to give to you about my pension etc. (F * pay me) etc.

        Moocher, epitome of greed etc has changed to “you’re a dumb ass if you back Trump”. That’s all he is saying. Maybe a feel good story once in a while would be nice? Seeing as how it is the same half dozen or so folks on here pretty much all the time…..
        I have grown to see you and me as the proverbial Tip ONiell and Ronald Reagan.
        Argue back and forth, and then afterwards go out for a beer together and focus on what we do have in common aside from breathing. You’d def have to agree far less toxic for both of us,

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        • Posted by Tough Love on September 11, 2020 at 12:18 pm

          At this point, the level my dislike of your (excessive) pension & benefits and my strong dislike of dangerous/misfit Trump are running about the same. Trump’s re-election is CLEARLY of more immediate concern. Too bad I have zero control over either ……… but venting via my opinion does help 🙂 🙂

          Quoting ……….. “you’re a dumb ass if you back Trump”. While the reader may (rightfully) be reading that INTO my commentary, show me where I’ve stated such.

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          • For the life of me, I can’t understand how anyone can support misfit trump. Kinda paraphrasing but that was how it came across. Not looking for a fight, I’m still tinkled pink you entertain the EG exception to pension reform. lol.

  9. Posted by Anonymous on September 11, 2020 at 12:14 pm

    President Trump nominated for a SECOND Noble Peace Prize. LOL haters.

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  10. TL, for upmteenth time, I don’t necessarily support Trump but hold my nose when I consider him the least of the two evils. So can we just put that one to rest 🙂

    I will continue to maintain my position that most of what he says is twisted around for the good of the MSM who try to spin even the smallest gaffe or stupid thing he says into a major international incident. You know it’s true, it just fits into your TDS so you give the MSM a solid pass and chose to overlook it.

    Their job is to report unbiased news events,, not their opinions, thoughts, emotions, etc. but just to report the news so we can all make up our own minds through discussion, research and our own thought processes.

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    • Posted by Tough Love on September 11, 2020 at 3:25 pm

      LOL, quoting …………. ” most of what he says is twisted around for the good of the MSM who try to spin even the smallest gaffe or stupid thing he says into a major international incident.”

      It’s bad enough KNOWING that a serious pandemic is spreading and claiming to deny it to avoid a potential panic, but it’s his DOING next-to-nothing to control it for the next month (CLEARLY because doing so would not help his re-election chances) that is unforgivable ……. and likely contributed to at least 50K extra Covid-19 deaths.

      Is he guilty or is it just “spin”?

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    • Posted by Tough Love on September 11, 2020 at 4:02 pm

      MJ,

      You believe it’s “spin”. A just out article on “spin”………..

      Title: “Trump took the country for a spin around his bizarre fantasyland ”

      https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/11/opinions/bizarre-trump-response-woodward-book-dantonio/index.html

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    • Posted by Tough Love on September 11, 2020 at 4:39 pm

      Not unexpected ………. not everyone has TLS (Trump Love syndrome):

      Title: “Over the last four years, sale prices at Trump-branded condos dropped by 25 percent ”

      Quoting ….. “According to a new report from CityRealty, owners of apartments at Trump-branded buildings in the city are “eager to get out,” even willing to take a significant loss on their properties.”

      https://www.6sqft.com/over-the-last-four-years-prices-of-trump-branded-condos-dropped-by-25-percent/

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  11. Posted by Anonymous on September 11, 2020 at 5:22 pm

    CNN is NOT credible and neither is TL. I wouldn’t want to be in a Trump property because of people like TL and the MSM who make it dangerous to be a part of Trump anything. I didn’t even put my Trump sticker on my car because of sickies like TL. The silent majority will be the winning majority. Have a good weekend and enjoy your hate-filled days.

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    • Posted by Tough Love on September 11, 2020 at 5:31 pm

      And you “Anonymous” are ?

      I suggest that you lock up your guns as the results from election day unfold, as you might kill yourself WHEN (not IF) Trump loses.

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  12. TL, can you provide documentation of what Trump did not do regarding Covid?

    He stopped flights from China early on to help prevent the spread
    He provided US Navy medical ship to NY
    He provided ventilators and other needed supplies to hospitals

    He put together a task force and had regular updates (whether we believed them or not is another story) with VP Pence at the forefront

    He tried to remain positive and stay in non panic mode through out

    He allowed governors from all states to have closures and quarantines as they saw fit for their state

    He was open to exploring different treatment options

    He was in favor of and helped pass a very generous federal package for all of those affected whether it be small businesses, unemployed individuals, companies etc so that everyone had a cash flow

    Testing sites were set up pretty much everywhere and were free of charge

    Provided Federal aid to states that were badly affected

    What is your documentation??

    What would you have done differently?

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    • Posted by Tough Love on September 11, 2020 at 8:01 pm

      In the FIRST critical month which followed when he was first alerted in early JANUARY …. he did next to nothing.

      FOCUS …… that FIRST critical month.

      How can I document what he DIDN’T do ….. the list would be infinite. What’s wrong with you ?

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      • TL, start off by listing what he didn’t do, your list doesn’t need to be infinite just a few major things that he didn’t do……specifically

        Also, answer what would you have done differently without causing a nationwide panic?

        I distinctly remember having a conversation with my stylist about this in February and we were wondering if things would should down as they were starting to in Europe. So he must have been doing something…….

        I’ll wait…….

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        • Posted by Tough Love on September 12, 2020 at 11:27 am

          Here’s the biggie (that per the scientific community would have saved 10s of thousands of lives) …….. Order (if a legal option) or at least strongly encourage everyone to wear a mask 100% of the time when anywhere near others (other than immediate family), do it himself all the time as an example, and convey that it has NOTHING to do with your freedoms or manhood, simply being a smart and effective way to limit the spread of the virus.

          What’s so sad is that he surely understood this, but given his “base”, he perceived that doing so wouldn’t help his re-election efforts …….. the ONLY thing that matters to him.

          Trump is a failure and a disgrace.

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          • Posted by Tough Love on September 12, 2020 at 12:54 pm

            And he STILL won’t wear a mask or encourage mask-wearing, all while we see doctors/researchers repeatedly …. right now ….. saying that thousands of future deaths can be avoided if everyone wears a mask.

            Too bad there are so little options for holding him accountable BEYOND voting this dangerous misfit out of office.

          • Posted by Tough Love on September 12, 2020 at 7:05 pm

            And more….

            “Early mask wearing would have saved lives

            More than 6.4 million infections have been recorded in the US and 193,482 people have died, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.

            About 150,000 of those lives would have been saved if more Americans wore masks earlier on in the coronavirus pandemic, a health expert says.

            “If the President had said from day one everyone is wearing a mask, we’d have about 45,000 deaths in this country,” said CNN medical analyst Dr. Jonathan Reiner, who’s a cardiologist and professor of medicine at George Washington University.

            Reiner pointed to how Germany handled the pandemic.

            “They haven’t been the best. They haven’t been the worst. They’ve been OK in their pandemic response and they’ve had about 10,000 deaths,” he told CNN’s Erin Burnett.

            The US has four times the population of Germany. “So we’d have about 45,000 deaths in this country,” he said. “So about 150,000 people would be alive.”
            He reiterated the importance of embracing masks.

            “If you want to think about why we still have 40,000 cases a day and 1,000 deaths a day in this country, it’s because we’re still talking about masks,” Reiner said. “It’s so basic.””

  13. TL, okay so Trump didn’t actively encourage everyone to wear a mask??? That’s it?

    I think you are really scraping the bottom of the barrel on that one. Most all governors were “mandating” that masks be worn. We couldn’t go into stores or facilities without one and oh yeah most everything was shut down for 4 months. You do understand that we as Americans have constitutional, individualistic rights don’t you?

    I’ll take it on faith that your John Hopkins info is correct….that would be about 3% deaths. And we don’t know if death directly caused by Covid or death from something else but the deceased tested positive……..because hospitals were getting all of that Federal money and we do know that most of the deaths were of the very elderly (due to NJ and NY moving them to nursing homes) and/or those with co-morbid conditions

    Now you’re scraping the bottom pig feeder

    Have a good one TL 🙂

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    • Posted by Tough Love on September 13, 2020 at 2:18 pm

      50,000+ UNNECESSARY deaths is WAY WAY more of the ……..”That’s it” or my ……… “scraping the bottom of the barrel” to find fault.

      Do you think the sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, and friends of all those who unnecessarily died would would agree with you ?

      —————————–

      Quoting …………. ” You do understand that we as Americans have constitutional, individualistic rights don’t you?”

      FUC* our “constitutional, individualistic rights” when it comes down increasing the to spread of a deadly virus.

      Bet you’d feel differently if it was one of your kids on a ventilator or with permanent heart damage.

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    • Posted by Rex the Wonder Dog! 🐶🐶🐶🦴🦴🦴 on September 15, 2020 at 11:24 pm

      Wow, I will have to review this study. It seems like 19.1 million to 1 are rather improbable stats for Covid-19 in that age group. Long odds even for children, of which CA has not had a SINGLE death of anyone under age 18 from Covid-19. Not 1.

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    • Posted by Tough Love on September 16, 2020 at 12:22 am

      MJ, you’re starting to look as INTENTIONALLY misleading as Stephen Douglas …………

      While that may be the link, THIS is the FULL description of that probability……………

      “A study by researchers at UCLA and Stanford shows that the chances of a healthy 50-64 year-old of dying from COVID-19 after a single random contact are one in 19.1 million. ”

      The important part NOT in the link …… “after a single random contact”

      Might even include one single virus cell being somewhere in your airspace.

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