No Schools → No Teachers → No Pensions

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This got me to thinking about schools reopening in New Jersey so Murphy can pretend that the state is making progress in fighting the coronavirus outbreak. It’s not. We can’t know who is infected and setting all those covid-carriers loose on the population will only increase the chances that everybody will eventually be infected with the older and fatter of us dying.

But if we have no schools then what happens to the teachers? As of now they are getting paid for doing nothing (not unique around here so it may go on for some time) but eventually it may occur to some politicians to stop those paychecks. That brings us to all those participants in the Teachers Pension and Annuity Fund (TPAF) who would retiree. How many people and how much money would that come to?
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The latest update of active participants is through March 31, 2020 and when pared down to only TPAF members we get:

142,096 participants with total annual salaries of $10,844,923,690.

Many are eligible to retire and there might even be early retirement incentives (if the NJEA requests them) but of those who have 25 years of service there are:

  • participants: 13,566
  • salaries: $1,415,641,398
  • estimated pensions: $779,986,203

Obviously most participants would prefer to draw those higher salaries (as would their unions who have not yet devised a system to get dues out of pensioners) but, if we go another couple of years without public education, the idea of terminating the TPAF might occur to the next Republican governor.

Dates of birth are not included in the data so there would be additional participants who have reached the plan’s retirement age and when you add on early and disability retirees plus whatever the regular terminees and nonvested participants (if there will be any) would get (at least the return of their contributions) the burden on the TPAF (which will also be deprived of that employee contribution inflow) could bring the plan to its depletion date in that first year.

 

 

44 responses to this post.

  1. Posted by Tough Love on August 3, 2020 at 7:49 am

    I have not seen even an inkling that Gov. Murphy will stop kissing the Teachers’ Union’s fat ars.

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    • Posted by This on August 3, 2020 at 8:48 am

      The only thing scarier to Murphy or a dem is a “white parent”

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      • Posted by E on August 3, 2020 at 8:53 am

        Except for maybe the “wall of moms”. Lol.

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        • Posted by This on August 3, 2020 at 9:07 am

          The wall of moms in the minority community want school choice, which is why I said what I said. They dont matter.

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          • Posted by E on August 3, 2020 at 9:54 am

            IMO the white wall of moms matters even less. All they are doing is making theatre. Idiots.

          • Posted by This on August 3, 2020 at 10:03 am

            Youre missing the point, the democrat cities like Newark and Camden are so very funded its not even funny. They vote democrat 99%.

            Point is, the burbs….Timmy is the best and the smartest, there is no stopping Timmy and his mom.

    • Posted by Rex the Wonder Dog! 🐶🐶🐶🦴🦴🦴 on August 3, 2020 at 7:22 pm

      Has anyone besides me seen The American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees NATIONAL commercials, BEGGING for a BAILOUT?? These low life greedy public unions will steal the bread off your grandmothers last meal if they could. BAILOUT the AFSCME?? Hell NO!!!!!
      BARF!

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      • Posted by Rex the Wonder Dog! 🐶🐶🐶🦴🦴🦴 on August 3, 2020 at 7:23 pm

        DOUBLE BARF!!!

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        • Posted by geo8rge on August 3, 2020 at 9:14 pm

          What does triage unemployment claims mean?

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          • Posted by Rex the Wonder Dog! 🐶🐶🐶🦴🦴🦴 on August 4, 2020 at 12:55 am

            What does triage unemployment claims mean?
            Good question. A “triage” is used in Emergency Rooms and usually means to place people in a level of priority based on severity of injury. For unemployment claims could it mean those out of work longest get some sort of priority? Just a guess, I have no idea. But these commercials really disgust me because for the most part Gov employees have not faced ANY adversity from Covid-19 at all. Nothing. When at least 1/3 of the nation in real life-private sector-have lost their job. And who knows how many have had hours reduced by 50%, 75%, or more. But not the special, pampered class, the public sector.NO lay offs. NO reduced work schedules.NO reduced wages or fringe benefits. NOTHING. And yet before they have taken ANY HIT whatsoever the start running these hand out commercials seeking a bailout from the entire nation- the entire private sector that have suffered 100 times worse??? . It is disgusting and I pray every day that these pampered whinebabies get whacked real hard- and take a dose of reality for once in their pathetic leach filled lives.

      • Posted by Rex the Wonder Dog! 🐶🐶🐶🦴🦴🦴 on August 3, 2020 at 7:26 pm

        Now, THIS is the TRUTH about AFSCME!

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  2. Posted by This on August 3, 2020 at 9:02 am

    Watch the Essex County super Anthony on CNBC a few days ago, he is better served not doing interviews it would appear.

    Chronic underfunding of “our schools” they have to buy their own paper.
    Comparing teachers to MLB players, I think Baseball players might be a bit more “fit” and “healthy”
    No federal money, another myth.

    Listen, we get it….no school, no work, no tests…just keep those checks coming.

    Btw, in Baseball…you can opt out. you get NO SALARY, but you get service time….deal?

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  3. Posted by geo8rge on August 3, 2020 at 9:06 am

    I think the smarter D’s are begining to see the danger of people realizing their might be an alternative to the education monopoly.

    Big time D activist and smart person Andrew Tobias has been harping on the subject that covid is really really dangerous but you know like open the schools because it is not really really dangerous to like kids that can’t spread it anyway:

    “School-age children are far more likely to die from the flu than from COVID.”
    https://andrewtobias.com/how-they-see-us/

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    • Posted by This on August 3, 2020 at 9:10 am

      Watch the CNBC interview, they suggested putting a teacher behind plexi glass. The union said NO.

      I am seeing a ton of Huntingon Learning center commercials. The problem is getting the taxpayer money back. Read the story of the LA teachers union. Not to mention, last year….I think they had 20 hours of instruction, and nobody bothered to show up (the students).

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  4. Posted by E on August 3, 2020 at 9:51 am

    https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/spd-chief-sends-letter-city-council-says-protesters-targeted-home-hers/MDSSO235FNEKDN6ILT3E6K2SQQ/?outputType=amp

    This is why I am casting my vote for Donald J. trump this November. That and the economy, but really because of this. Biden has been 100% MIA now for months. It will be mob rule. It will come to NYC. Look at the way the cops were treated making that arrest of “stickers” the 18 year old “house less” girl whose mother lives in NYC. And idiots give her thousands on Go Fund Me. Yea. She’s a real hero.

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  5. Posted by MJ on August 3, 2020 at 10:01 am

    THIS….as far as schools being closed since March, IMHO it was nothing more than a paid vacation for teachers and school staff. I have spoken to so many parents (I make it a point to bring up the topic) and all, at least that I have spoken with, are totally disgusted with the whole thing but don’t know what they can really do about it.

    It is my understanding that even if schools go all remote learning it’s for at best 2-3 hours a day. Most teachers just post work sheets and assignments to the web pages.
    Some actually video tape a lecture. What does that take about 20 minutes? It’s up to the parents to make sure the kids get the work done. If students do physically go back to school it will only be a half day.

    I was talking to my neighbor who is a teacher and she said if they are “forced” to go back many are going to go out on sick leave, get those elective surgeries, get doctors notes stating that they have medical conditions where they can’t be around people, etc etc

    The better off parents can afford Huntingdon but what about everybody else? What about those parents who actually have a job they have to go back to? What about disabled students who really need that extra in class support?

    Disgusting over paid cry babies. Ask Home Depot, Walmart, ShipRites, etc how they did it without losing anybody. Private and Catholic schools are opening on a full 5 day schedule with precautions in place.

    We should all be refunded for those services not received or at least partial refund of our school taxes…….I wonder when people will just wake up to the rip off. It is disgusting and I really can’t believe that parents would stand for this but then again we are in NJ

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    • Posted by This on August 3, 2020 at 10:09 am

      Read my post above, at this point…we should just give every kid a college degree and a bill for $100k.

      I am not suggesting teachers are not important, not needed, do not play a role. Their self interest has devauled the education system. and it has allowed privileged parents to say, Timmy is the best…it has allowed underpriveleged parents to say, you deal with them.

      It is America sadly, I caught some of Bill Maher this weekend. You know what he spent 5-10 minutes on?? America and Obesity. Everyone is afraid to speak the truth. Putting Birth Control in the water is what is really needed.

      But hey…America is already a free and socialist society…the fix is always MORE money.

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      • Posted by Rex the Wonder Dog! 🐶🐶🐶🦴🦴🦴 on August 3, 2020 at 10:35 am

        I am not suggesting teachers are not important, not needed, do not play a role. Their self interest has devauled the education system
        Well said.

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  6. Posted by MJ on August 3, 2020 at 10:09 am

    Wait till they start building the “low income” housing in the swanky white suburbs. We already have a version of that in NJ but just wait until the mandates are increased and federally mandated into every suburban community nationwide. I can’t believe that these ultra left predominantly well off people don’t see the danger in how this will effect their schools, their neighborhoods, their home values, their increased taxes, the additional strain on water and utility systems, they infra structure, more crime.

    Sometimes I think I’m crazy for not seeing it based on the ultra liberal/progressive view. I must be a real square, out of touch???? IDK

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    • Posted by This on August 3, 2020 at 10:13 am

      Ok, I need to stop you…you and many other in NJ parrot this myth.

      NJ, is not that liberal or progressive. Did you know, NJ has some of the most segregated schools in the entire country? You think they rich people of Glen Ridge will allow their kids to share a school with Belleville? NJ is NIMBY, it is liking paying a charity instead on volunteering.

      Hoboken is a former Abbott district (still gets the money though, whatever you call it), yet only 40% of the students are in traditional public schools. Why do you think that is????????????????

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  7. Posted by MJ on August 3, 2020 at 4:04 pm

    This, I was not aware that NJ is that segregated and I’m not familiar with Glen Ridge or Belleville but I would think that school choice, charter schools, reimbursed tuition for private school choice would work well for those lower income districts whose parents wish to send their children to better districts or for anyone else.

    Of course, the NJEA and the teachers would rather keep everyone trapped in the shit hole schools of NJ where lots and lots of money from the wealthier suburbs pay for all of those extra teachers, programs, administrators, etc. and is then passed onto us the taxpayer. Not too many great outcomes either

    Most if not all NJ towns and suburbs have affordable housing mandates for low income but if education and discipline is not stressed in the home forgetta bout it

    I

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  8. Posted by MJ on August 3, 2020 at 4:14 pm

    Oh and wanted to add, yeah some teachers are important and have their place but they are not as important as they think they are. The stupid parents gave away all of their power through the years because they were too busy working to pay the bills and high taxes, the inflated grades mistakenly led parents to believe that the child was doing well.

    Most teachers suck and could be replaced by a smart high schooler. Most of the work or instruction is worksheets to complete. And those poor teachers have to grade papers at night. Boo hoo……most are so unprofessional in demeanor, dress and conversation that I can’t understand how they keep their jobs, oh yeah the NJEA

    We now accept and condone obesity from young children to obese adults and celebrate it as “different body types” despite all of the medical conditions that being obese can cause and contribute to and we can never say anything

    Let’s face it, we’re done, just move along and find a way to deal with it all until such time as we can move on from NJ.

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    • Posted by Tough Love on August 3, 2020 at 4:23 pm

      You’re not describing only NJ, but much of America …….. unfortunately.

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      • Posted by MJF on August 3, 2020 at 6:21 pm

        Like in most industries the money gets sucked up by middlemen (or persons). Try this: pay teachers, janitors $300 per hour. Anyone who doesn’t show up in a school doesn’t get paid on the taxpayer dime. NJEA,NEA, unions, book publishers, administrators, lobbyists….sorry go ask in-school staff to fork over a chunk of their check. The medical system is the same. 80% of that “shove a gun down your throat and pay it” money doesn’t go to people with scalpels trying to save your sorry butt. I’ve seen teachers sweat blood to help students, others not bother to even show up for work.

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  9. Posted by MJ on August 3, 2020 at 4:58 pm

    TL…probably and yes unfortunately. THIS is right, the teachers in their own self interest have devalued our education system and that obesity thing is all a part of that. IMO the NJEA is the greatest detriment to American education in the history of our country. Unless naturally intelligent (are we allowed to say that) most students are mediocre at best. Don’t get the math or science, can barely right a cohesive or persuasive essay, do their “research” on Google. No critical thinking skills, indoctrinated by those poor teachers and you can all say what you want but public schools are a liberal indoctrination system

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    • Posted by E on August 3, 2020 at 6:25 pm

      As a counterpoint, it is NOT just the teachers guys. A generation or two ago if a kid got a bad grade his parents gave HIM shit…..now it is a visit to the teacher or principal. The parents are mainly to blame MJ. They have little to no involvement with the school. Then bitch when precious Susie violates the dress code. Same w the police. As a result, we have kids who never get disciplined. Also as a counterpoint, republicans universally mocked M Obama and her eat right campaign. 🤷‍♂️
      I think people in general on both sides are just more selfish than years back. But then again, old timers always decry the new generation.

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      • Posted by E on August 3, 2020 at 6:29 pm

        The old expression 20 years ago was a helicopter parent.
        Now they are called bulldozer parents
        They just clear of path for their little Johnny

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      • Posted by Rex the Wonder Dog! 🐶🐶🐶🦴🦴🦴 on August 3, 2020 at 7:15 pm

        The parents are mainly to blame MJ. They have little to no involvement with the school.
        Depends on so many variables and factors. Such a stupid generalized comment to label ALL parents.

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      • Posted by Rex the Wonder Dog! 🐶🐶🐶🦴🦴🦴 on August 3, 2020 at 7:16 pm

        BTW EG, you’re not going to “internet beat me up” for that comment are you 🙂 !!

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  10. Posted by This on August 4, 2020 at 7:39 am

    More politics yesterday, teachers protesting. In Georgia, amazingly…260 school employees have the virus, or wait…know someone who does. They flooded the media with calls and emails.

    It is amazing to me, because the incubation period is 4-10 days, yet 260 got it in 24 hours!!!

    Then NYC, carrying coffins?

    What if we put teachers in Hazmat suits? Will that be enough?

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    • Posted by MJ on August 4, 2020 at 9:00 am

      THIS, it’s all ridiculous. I wonder what would happen if all of the nurses refused to go to work…oh that’s right dereliction of duty and they could lose their medical licenses

      I wonder what would happen if all of the retail workers, gas attendants, food store clerks, police, just decided they weren’t going to work

      Haz mat suits and then behind plexi glass…that should do it

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      • Posted by This on August 4, 2020 at 9:22 am

        I just reject the fear….the CNBC video, they sometimes run out of paper…I will send them $50 for paper. Hows that?

        btw, what are Gym Teachers going to be doing during this?

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        • Posted by NJ2AZ on August 4, 2020 at 12:39 pm

          Mrs AZ is a gym teacher, i’ll follow up with what her plan of attack ends up being.

          some teachers out here have been making with the hyperbole as well. she was telling me something the other day about some teachers organizing to send copies of their will to the governor or some nonsense

          Note: she is not one of the hardcore entitled unionista teachers (i doubt we’d be married if she was). Every now and again she’ll bring up some of the pro public school propaganda talking points to get my thoughts and when i explain why its trash she pretty much always understands 😉

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          • Posted by Rex the Wonder Dog! 🐶🐶🐶🦴🦴🦴 on August 5, 2020 at 1:02 pm

            Note: she is not one of the hardcore entitled unionista teachers (i doubt we’d be married if she was). Every now and again she’ll bring up some of the pro public school propaganda talking points to get my thoughts and when i explain why its trash she pretty much always understands 😉
            Bravo!
            Is there ANY chance we can get you NJ2AZ, or Ms AZ, to give private lessons/instruction/tutoring to our esteemed colleagues here: 1) El Guapo and 2) Dougie/Stephen/Earth/Anonymous/A ?? They could REALLY use it. Especially the basic math portion. You know, the 2+2=4 part of basic math 🙂

          • Posted by E on August 5, 2020 at 2:12 pm

            Or the math portion that says:
            El G: $127,000 pension
            Rex: $0 (and afraid to bet E on his pension payouts….oh yeah he doesn’t gamble). Right…….
            And I’m pretty sure NJAZ will not push for anything that will cut the missus pension. He’s not a fool.

  11. Posted by MJ on August 4, 2020 at 8:57 am

    https://www.ourgreatawakening.org/182771-sealed-indictments-be

    Off topic but read this and then let me know if you think that very sick, very disgusting, very sociopathic people are not running this country…..

    Maxwell and Epstein are but the pin prick of sick, perverse people who have power in our communities. I hope they rot in hell if there truly is a place like that and even then it would be too good for them.

    These records were just recently unsealed and I have no doubt there are plenty more out there

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    • Posted by E on August 4, 2020 at 9:26 am

      Very true. And very sad. IMO, these people are “hardwired wrong”. If a 15 year old molests a child, that same person when 75 years old will be looking to do the same thing. There is no cure for this. The choice should be castration or long long prison sentences.
      And this list is just a small sampling. People in positions of authority. Imagine how many are out their that fly under the radar.
      Here’s a solution: Defund the sex crimes unit by 50%. 🙄🙄. All stormtroopers anyway.

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    • Posted by Rex the Wonder Dog! 🐶🐶🐶🦴🦴🦴 on August 5, 2020 at 1:12 pm

      Off topic but read this and then let me know if you think that very sick, very disgusting, very sociopathic people are not running this country…..
      Bill Clinton claimed he NEVER flew on Epstein’s private jet, yet flight logs show he flew on it 28 different times. Clinton claimed he was never on Pedo Island, yet one of the victims stated she personally saw him there. The flight logs are indisputable. The allegations from the one victim is disputable. But anyway you cut it, after Monica Lewinsky Bill Clinton has no (or very little) credibility. Clinton leaves a bad taste in everyone’s mouth (no pun intended).

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  12. Posted by MJ on August 4, 2020 at 9:18 am

    My last rant in regard to my previous post….these unsealed records are just in regard to crimes against children

    I’m thinking about all of the adult perverts like Anthony Weiner (his wife was Hillary’s aide), Jim McGreevey, that other guy using the food signals in a public rest room

    BTW I believe John Podesta and his brother are listed on the manifest of the Lolita express as well as other politicians

    Sick, demented, disgusting people running our country.

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    • Posted by This on August 4, 2020 at 9:24 am

      Why do any of them want to be in office and stay in office…money and power. The fact that I ever have to hear anything about the Royal Families of Europe….I know the dont use their power, but really…a King or a Queen, inbred mofos.

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