Covid: Pity US

This piece sums up what I have felt has been an ignorant and politically delimited government response (on all levels) to this pandemic for months which has the rest of world pitying this country.
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The full video (at bottom) is chilling but the emphasis has been on federal bungling when states like New Jersey have often responded with an even greater emphasis on politics over intelligence and a piece came out today on Murphy (excerpted below) doing just that.

At least three of Murphy’s biggest decisions in the reopening process — the pause on indoor dining, requiring face masks outdoors and plans to reopen schools in the fall, followed by a surprise announcement that he would allow a virtual learning option — were made with little or no consultation with the public health experts, according to multiple interviews with people in the administration.

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At one point, she termed the governor’s team as “amateurs,” a new recording listened to by the Trenton Bureau of the USA TODAY NETWORK showed.

“I was floored” by the indoor dining decision, said one official involved in the pandemic response who, along with two others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to speak freely. With less than 24 hours until Murphy was to announce his decision, that person was told by a supervisor to “generate talking points” for the governor to justify the move.

“Shouldn’t we be giving a recommendation on whether it’s necessary to reopen indoor dining ourselves, on our own accord? Shouldn’t the question be open-ended, and we guide the governor on both how to get the answer, and what the answer should be from a public health and safety standpoint?” the health official said. “But no — in this case I was not even given the latitude to choose which metric we were going to use to justify the decision.”

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35 responses to this post.

  1. Posted by Anonymous on July 27, 2020 at 11:03 am

    That you believe that some states have done much much better than others how can you love them all into one

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  2. Posted by boscoe on July 27, 2020 at 12:34 pm

    The NYTimes video was damning of Donald Trump, not of New Jersey. It was totally revealing and if I were the Lincoln Project, I would buy it as a campaign ad and run it as is. Those of us who are not Asbury Park Press subscribers can’t access the other article, but apparently it is the “Pandemic Warriors” group within the state Department of Health who are unhappy with New Jersey’s response.

    What I don’t understand is why you, Mr. Bury, chose to post these two items together as though they represent one logical thought process. They don’t. New Jersey and a few other states have hopefully seen the worst of the pandemic spread early on, and the statistics thus far show an earlier recovery. By contrast the federal government response has been (1) it’s nothing to worry about, folks; followed by (2) you’re on your own. And that ineptitude is reflected in this disastrous spread throughout the South and Midwest. And possibly back East for Round 2 (which is why there are 14 day quarantine rules for folks entering NJ/NY from most other states).

    You and your libertarian buddy Paul Mulshine complained incessantly about the restrictions placed on New Jerseyans and what you thought was government overreach. Now it sounds like you’re complaining about…what exactly? That there is doubt, confusion and indecision about reopening schools in the fall? Show me a state or a school district anywhere in the country that isn’t facing the same concerns.

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    • Posted by rightherenow123 on July 27, 2020 at 1:08 pm

      I could not get through your post, but you will see my point in my original point when I post. Um,,,blaming Trump about NJ?? I just do not get the politics of this….the dems had the solutions to everything, but they held on to it?? Both parties are the problem. We have politicians who are dying in office…its the only way to get them out.

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      • Posted by boscoe on July 27, 2020 at 1:19 pm

        I never said the Dems had solutions to everything. In fact, I never said anything about political parties. And I didn’t blame Trump about NJ. I blame him for his sorry-assed response to the entire country. Sorry you couldn’t “get through” my post.

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        • Posted by This on July 27, 2020 at 1:24 pm

          This is right (user name changes via login) I give up reading anything these days (or listening) when its started out by blaming others…you said Trump…that was enough for me. I dont like the way he acts. but all these career politicians and the media are the problem. The NY Times is an agenda driven joke, since when is it up to the media to swing elections and polls? Imagine if they just report the news.

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          • Posted by Tough Love on July 27, 2020 at 2:14 pm

            “Reporting” on what Trump does is fine with me …. no spin needed. He shoots himself in the foot every time he opens his mouth.

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          • Posted by E on July 27, 2020 at 2:24 pm

            I’ll still take him over the insurrectionist USA hating “wall of moms” and their candidate.
            Who is it again? Haven’t seen him in ages. And when you do, he is the deer in the headlights. Because deep down he KNOWS he is being sabotaged. He doesn’t agree with all these riots etc. he is NOT ALLOWED to condemn them. Well, too fuckin bad. The American people see every night these riots. CNN doesn’t show you them. I wonder why? You wanna throw up, watch Chris Coumo kiss Don Lemons ass every night at 10. 🤮

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          • Posted by This on July 27, 2020 at 3:14 pm

            Trump, the things he says drive me crazy….but its whataboutism. Pick and choose all you want. What does he have to do with NJ???

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    • Posted by Rex the Wonder Dog! 🐶🐶🐶🦴🦴🦴 on July 27, 2020 at 2:08 pm

      The NYTimes video was damning of Donald Trump, not of New Jersey. It was totally revealing and if I were the Lincoln Project, I would buy it as a campaign ad and run it as is.
      And do you seriously think ANYONE (outside of commie left wing nut jobs like AOC) would put ANY credibility in another, of the 10’s of thousands, NYT hit pieces on Trump>>? Please.

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      • Posted by boscoe on July 27, 2020 at 2:22 pm

        You can call it a hit piece, but the fact of the matter is that the rest of the world looks at the U.S. response to the COVID pandemic with a mixture of horror and derision. Can’t blame the NY Times for that.

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        • Posted by E on July 27, 2020 at 2:25 pm

          The NY Times has absolutely NO credibility as a source of information or opinion. None.

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          • Posted by boscoe on July 27, 2020 at 2:34 pm

            You don’t have to read it in the Times. Do you think it’s a secret, that this country botched the response? You can read it anywhere, including overseas. And by anywhere, I mean anywhere other than Fux News and the New York Post.

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  3. Posted by This on July 27, 2020 at 1:28 pm

    Here is my point, and why I think the government should have less money and less control. All they do nowadays is try to get super majorities. If I hear one more party complain about their bill not being taken up. Yeah….that is the entire system that was created, so we didnt have mob rule. See, you present your side…the other side has input, you compromise.

    Today, its all about the next election..and the next one. Its tearing down the state, or country to achieve that. Then we have 20-30-40-50 year RICH politicians taking over.

    Not one politician can ever control any Americans human nature. Americans are Americans.

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  4. Posted by This on July 27, 2020 at 1:35 pm

    I also want to add why the whole testing things is a joke and is of course political. IT DOESNT WORK. It started as the media and the left trying to win political points.

    It is NOT a solution. Unless, and until we get 10 min tests for everyone, everywhere…like a thermometer. Its useless. Contact tracing, useless. We also have birth control and condoms and etc….doesnt seem to STDs and births to women. We spend massive amounts of money on education, on campaigns…but we have freedom in this country….

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    • Posted by E on July 27, 2020 at 2:19 pm

      No. It seems only the “woke” have freedom anymore. You and I will be cancelled. The Antifa folks will soon get smart and start running candidates themselves or continue to threaten existing pols like wheeler and durkin. A fellow politician led a march to her house for Christ sake w “peaceful protesters”.
      Wall of moms? What the fuck is going here? Why has this insurrection been suppressed by force? Freedom is only for far left folks now.
      You keep your mouth shut? White silence is VIOLENCE!!!! You speak up? Check your privilege, it’s not your place.
      Did you see the hooligans in Memphis tear up the arcade etc? Such a wonderful culture huh.
      If anything more FORCE needs to be used on these people. Such spoiled children

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      • Posted by boscoe on July 27, 2020 at 2:27 pm

        I see what you did there. This was about the response to COVID here and abroad and you switched it to antifa and protests. Take your cop’s hat off for a second. And no, it’s NOT all part of the same thing.

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        • Posted by This on July 27, 2020 at 3:15 pm

          Boscoe…you see. I stopped reading through their post after about 8 words too. Emotions, thats all it is these days.

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        • Posted by E on July 27, 2020 at 4:33 pm

          Right now. The bigger problem is in fact the riots. Of course I think trump mishandled Covid. I’ve stated I think he is a terrible president. If Biden wasn’t such a puppet for the far FAR left, I’d actually consider voting for the guy.

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          • Posted by NJ2AZ on July 27, 2020 at 4:53 pm

            I’ve reached the conclusion Biden winning is for the best long term, though not because of anything he might do.

            The 2020s are going to be a very uncomfortable decade no matter who is in charge. The reckoning from decades of poor decision making. If Trump wins again, i fear that the response in 2024 will be someone far worse than Biden (president AOC..yikes) thinking the solution to all our problems is more bloated ineffective government. If Uncle Joe wins now, i like to think there are enough sane democrats left to keep some of the more ridiculous lefty nonsense at bay, while the GOP is hopefully forced to figure out what it is post trump and how to again be competitive in national elections. With the ‘left’ failing to fix things in the interim, we will hopefully get relatively reasonable republicans back in charge by 2022 and 2024.

            basically Biden winning is accepting a hard kick right in the nuts now instead if getting hit by the bullet train later. i can live with that.

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          • Posted by NJ2AZ on July 27, 2020 at 4:58 pm

            i don’t expect this, but i’m really hoping there are enough voters savvy enough to go Biden for POTUS and then still vote for a GOP senator/representative.

            send the message: we want trump gone, but we don’t embrace this leftist lunacy either

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          • Posted by E on July 27, 2020 at 7:39 pm

            I don’t think so AZ. I think before the murder of George Floyd the progressive wing was somewhat muted. Even after covid got bad, Biden beat them back pretty bad.
            If Trump pulls this off, the left will realize they went to far.
            We hear nothing of the Tea Party and the Grover Norquist no tax pledge anymore. Haven’t in years. Good. Country doesn’t need that either. We just about had the progressives gone too. Mainstream dems couldn’t wait to rally around Biden. Warren and Sanders were dead in the water. If trump wins, they will be again. The dems will Run a moderate in 24 and prob win if trump wins. A progressive ticket is the death of our country. For real.
            Biden coming after the burbs. He has to. The cities will be dead

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          • Posted by NJ2AZ on July 27, 2020 at 8:50 pm

            i don’t know E. the democrats never seem to learn any lesson other than “WE JUST DIDN”T DO WHAT WE KNOW IS RIGHT GOOD AND HARD ENOUGH”.

            i suspect if the prog nonsense brings them down this cycle, they will only triple down on it.

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          • Posted by NJ2AZ on July 27, 2020 at 8:58 pm

            “Biden didn’t win because he wasn’t progressive enough” is the lesson they’d take away from a loss. i’d bet everything i own on it.

            as much as it would suck in the short term, these people need to actually get some power so everyone can see their absurd ideas crash and burn.

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          • Posted by E on July 28, 2020 at 9:51 am

            I disagree. I think the dem centrists are keeping mouth shut because they are scared. Not unlike most GOP refusing to condemn trump when he needed to be.
            This is a whole generation of children who never grew up. Never were told no. In some aspects they aren’t wrong in their beliefs, owning a home is harder these days for folks in their 20s and 30s. Health insurance is a rip off. College loans are outta sight. Pensions? Long gone except for guys like me. Who myself will be long gone, professional speaking if Biden gets in. Nobody is looking to be a cop anymore. The job is impossible to do.
            Despite all of that, you can’t riot in the street because you still live in mom’s basement. Move to a socialist country if you don’t like it here. It seems many do not.

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  5. Posted by Tough Love on July 28, 2020 at 7:38 am

    The simple fact that Trump would re-tweet something like this shows how UNFIT he is to continue as America’s President.

    https://www.aol.com/article/news/2020/07/28/trump-retweets-covid-19-video-yanked-by-social-media-for-pushing-fake-cure/24574352/

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  6. Posted by MJ on July 28, 2020 at 7:44 am

    Ok, I’m going to get back to Covid……..I’m betting that if Biden wins, the virus will somehow go away either because some benign vaccine becomes available or “it runs its course” and is deemed no longer virulent enough to cause illness. The riots most likely would stop as well or at least downgrade. I could be wrong but IMO…….

    E, what do mean they are coming for the burbs?? To do what exactly? Tax us more? No surprises there. Are the “protestors” going to burn down the burbs? More violent crime? What do you mean by they are coming for the burbs if Biden is elected.

    Read where Biden is seriously looking at Susan Rice as VP….isn’t she an Obama left over? No body new, young, up and coming, moderate politics??? Sad sad sad and I also agree that for Biden to win it would be a hard kick in the balls but honestly I don’t think I can take 4 more years of Trump for many different reasons. I think he might be relieved if he doesn’t win, what a cess pool

    A Biden win, things calm down, states and municipalities get bailed out, pensions get paid, police go back to whatever their “normaL” is, government gets bigger, unemployment and give aways continue, taxes go higher……nothing new to see here folks.

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    • Posted by Tough Love on July 28, 2020 at 8:00 am

      Quoting …………. ” I think he might be relieved if he doesn’t win, what a cess pool”

      Finally, we agree.

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      • Posted by E on July 28, 2020 at 9:58 am

        Biden is proposing a plan that would link aid that a suburb gets from the federal govt to
        1) the demographics of the suburb (if you’re too white forget it)
        2) more importantly, he will only provide aid if the suburb rescinds single family home zoning. In other words, they want the aid contingent on building two and three family homes that are more affordable for people. In other words, your suburban house will be worth less.

        So you can always not apply for the aid which many well heeled burbs will do, and still pay for the cities, which of course will be devoid of anyone that has any brains.

        The Antifa crowd rooted in nyc over the weekend. Small but noticeable.
        They also have moved into Eugene OR. 130 or so miles from Portland. They have marched to politicians homes who have supported them, as well as the home of the DHS head. What makes you think once all the dough leaves NYC that they won’t get bored and hit a burb or two along the way?

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  7. Posted by MJ on July 28, 2020 at 11:21 am

    E, as far as federal aid being dependent upon housing and zoning, it’s always been that way. All communities need their share of affordable housing. Multi family housing is not a bad idea and three generations living under the same roof is nothing new. I know several people where grandparents, kids and grandchildren live together. My cousin who just sold her house in a very exclusive section of central Jersey had trouble bc the basement wasn’t finished. It seems Asian families who buy in that area want living quarters for in laws and older parents. I don’t know about where you live, but there is nowhere left to build where I live. Honestly, if my house is worth less in 10 years but I can still sell it and get out of NJ if that’s what it comes to then so be it. There is no way that many of the older more established communities will be able to meet a mandate of building multi family homes unless there are tons of buildable acres just there for the taking. Maybe connecting apartments are a better idea. If schools continue to decline, wealthier suburbanites will pull kids and send them to private school.

    Geez, I would love to see the reaction to all of this in the nicer more middle class suburbs. And as far as these rioters coming into the suburban neighborhoods, well I guess anything is possible. Maybe we should just all join the “if you can’t beat them, join them attitude” and I don’t think NYC is going to allow billions upon billions worth of real estate to just sink into the harbor??? Come on now…………

    At the same time, I don’t think the police’s hands should be tied in dealing with these thugs and those causing social unrest. Law and order all around

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    • Posted by E on July 28, 2020 at 11:50 am

      NYC won’t have a choice unless they elect a mayor that is tough on crime. Still may not be enough considering Covid.
      MJ. I don’t think you are understanding. It won’t be just for large or undeveloped lots. If someone is selling their home, especially an older one. The single family zoning in effect now will not be. Meaning that a builder can buy it knock it down and rebuild a new two or three family house in its place. Sell two places for $350,000 each instead of one for $650,000.
      This will change the neighborhood. It will either that or don’t federal $$$.

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      • Posted by Tough Love on July 28, 2020 at 12:58 pm

        You guys are like doom and gloom …… feeding off each other.

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      • Posted by NJ2AZ on July 28, 2020 at 1:10 pm

        you have to figure most of the youngins’ clamoring for all these ‘reforms’ are too young to remember how NYC was in the 70s/80s/90s. say what you want about something like stop and frisk, there’s a reason people thought it was a good idea at the time.

        whats that old saying: hard times make hard men, hard men make good times. good times make soft men, then soft men make hard times. rinse and repeat ad infinitum

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  8. Posted by MJ on July 28, 2020 at 2:57 pm

    TL, don’t know if you were referring to me but I’m not feeling doom and gloom. I’m kind of just rolling with the punches. When a situation arises, I’ll address it to the best of my ability. Now, am I going to put myself in a position of possible danger and go into these cities for shopping or dining…..absolutely not but I will continue to patronize the lovely suburbs and shore communities. Am I going to insert myself into one of these “peaceful protests” nope but I will support the police who have to maintain it all so that my town doesn’t get burned down

    E, my response to you is that builders have been knocking down old homes and putting two or more on the same lot and then selling them for big bucks for the last 15 years….think about all of those shore towns up and down NJ. Heck, in my town if you do that and plan on renting one of your new units they shake you down for affordable housing money before you can get a CO.

    I don’ think anyone can say right now what the next few years will hold but let’s all just hope for the best 🙂

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  9. Posted by MJ on July 29, 2020 at 10:02 am

    NJ2AZ….all these “youngins” vote and it seems they want socialism or as close to it as they can get in the coming election.

    There is another saying….you can vote your way into it but you have to shoot your way out of it!

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