Help Wanted: Actuary for PFRSNJ

Cheiron has only been on the job for two valuation cycles yet the Police and Firemen’s Retirement System of New Jersey (PFRSNJ) has issued a Request for Qualifications and Request for Actuary Firm. Among the things they are looking for in a new actuary:

  1. Actuarial staff who have performed actuarial valuations for defined benefit plans for at least three years;
  2. Minimally one staff member that is a Fellow or Associate of the Society of Actuaries or is a Fellow or Associate of the Conference of Actuaries in Public Practice;
  3. Actuaries that have performed at least five actuarial valuations of a defined benefit pension plan sponsored by a governmental entity, making note of the state (e.g. New Jersey). (pages 4-5)

FSAs and ASAs typically work for insurance companies and, without the EA (Enrolled Actuary) designation, there is no guarantee that they would be pension actuaries.

The board further reserves the right to waive any “minor informality” in any proposal received. The determination as to whether or not to make an award as a result of this RFP shall be at the sole and absolute discretion of the board. (page 6)

The Vendor {Contractor} shall use the Financial Statements as of the close of the fiscal year, June 30, 2020, for the retirement system as provided by the Board and the DPB. The Board will provide the same financial information for the subsequent fiscal years. The Vendor {Contractor} shall accept the financial statements as submitted, since the system’s fiscal affairs are subject to audit by professional accountants and the PFRS’s independent auditor. (page 8)

Finally, the actuarial valuation report shall contain, where appropriate, an appraisal of the suitability of assumptions made and reference to factors which were not considered. (page 9)

The Vendor {Contractor} shall be able to express the results of a valuation in a manner that can be understood by the system’s staff and Board. (page 13)

The Vendor {Contractor} may assume that the actuarial assumptions now in place will continue until the next three-year investigation is prescribed by the statute. Thus, the start-up costs of determining actuarial assumptions are not present in these specifications. However, legislation may be enacted that could change the economic assumptions or valuation methods at any time. (page 15)

The PFRSNJ’s selection of a provider for actuarial services will be based on its determination of overall best value. This determination will be influenced by the following criteria:

  1. Experience in providing services similar in scope and size

  2. Public Pension Plans

  3. Clarity of written and/or oral presentations

  4. Availability of lead actuary or consultant to meet with the Board

  5. Resources (both technical and personnel) to fully and satisfactorily execute system valuation qualifications and experience of staff assigned to project

  6. Proposed schedule for delivery of service

  7. Willingness and ability to comply with mandatory contractual terms and any and all the PFRS requirements (emphasis added)

  8. References (page 21)

 

79 responses to this post.

  1. Posted by NJ2AZ on June 17, 2020 at 12:10 pm

    i assume #7 is code for “Be willing to fudge the numbers until we like them” ?

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  2. Posted by Tough Love on June 17, 2020 at 12:16 pm

    John, I noted that you highlighted #7.

    I wonder what those “contact terms” are, and I wonder if one of it’s terms might be to choose assumptions/methods that S*T*R*E*T*C*H as far as an actuary can possibly go (w/o very seriously violating the Actuarial Standards Of Practice) to come up with the highest asset values, the lowest liability, and the smallest contribution possible.

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  3. Posted by Tough Love on June 17, 2020 at 12:23 pm

    Timely article:

    https://blog.independent.org/2020/06/15/coronavirus-lockdowns-to-cause-earlier-insolvency-of-failing-public-employee-pensions/

    Check out the 1-st comment (from Don P Rod) following the article. Smart guy.

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    • Posted by PS Drone on June 17, 2020 at 12:43 pm

      Need more than just eliminating PS unions. The age that benefits can commence must be raised to 66 and the annual payout maxed @ $60k. I know this is a broken record, but without all three, financial doom awaits whomever bears the brunt of “fixing” under funded PS DB plans – the beneficiaries, the taxpayer or the Federal Govt. I am reading local tea leaves that tell me that overt tax increases (particularly property taxes) are going to be met with a lot more civilian pushback than ever seen before.

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      • Posted by Tough Love on June 17, 2020 at 12:51 pm

        I hope you are correct. The overly-generous Public Sector pensions (AND benefits) are nothing but a THEFT of Private Sector taxpayer wealth.

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    • Posted by Rex the Wonder Dog! 🐶🐶🐶🦴🦴🦴 on June 17, 2020 at 1:03 pm

      Don P Rod • a day ago
      4th option: get rid of the unions. They benefit 5% of the population by fleecing the other 95%. How many degrees does one need to see that this is political corruption?

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    • Posted by Tough Love on June 17, 2020 at 1:22 pm

      And oh so timely …………

      https://www.nj.com/opinion/2020/06/its-time-for-njs-public-employees-to-make-some-sacrifices-opinion.html

      Title: “It’s time for NJ’s public employees to make some sacrifices”

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      • Posted by E on June 17, 2020 at 2:24 pm

        Sorry, Don’t look at me….I ain’t giving nothing back. My offer was a 10% pay cut for 2 months. I worked the whole time going to these Covid calls and then the maelstrom that is our work environment now. So…take from the other employees…NOT the Police.

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        • Posted by Marine1 on June 17, 2020 at 2:49 pm

          E- Sounds like they are preparing to reinstate the COLA to me.

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          • Posted by Marine1 on June 17, 2020 at 2:56 pm

            TL- Oh TL you do make us giggle with your high Hope’s and dreams. They aren’t furloughing anyone. It would have already happened. Murphy is in charge,not Christie. Why do you have such difficulty understanding the way things really are vs what you wish would happen ? You do the same thing with Trump. Unless we have another covid outbreak Trump will win the electoral college again. Better stock up on tissues because you are most likely going to need them on election night.

          • First interview question could be “doesn’t this plan look like it’s 80% funded to you?”

            Real question is how PFRS Board gets to make a hiring decision on an actuary on their own.

          • Posted by E on June 17, 2020 at 5:04 pm

            TL will bitch about the extra $5 (at most) or so her taxes would go up a year If they put cola back.
            I hit 25 in twelve days Marine, the escape hatch is open.

          • Posted by Tough Love on June 17, 2020 at 5:10 pm

            E,

            COLA would increase the value of your pension by about 30%.

            The point is not how much it costs an individual homeowner, it’s that your pension without COLA costs taxpayers (when Properly valued) about 10 times what Private Sector Taxpayers typically get from their employers in 401K contributions.

            Can you think of a word that might accurately wanting even MORE ?

          • Posted by Tough Love on June 17, 2020 at 5:14 pm

            John,

            I thought the need to meet the 80% funding threshold to reinstate COLAs was not (explicitly) carried over in Bill S5.

            Is that correct ?

          • Who cares? If it’s a NJ law it doesn’t mean much anyway. COLAs are not coming back unless Biden’s bailout money is really massive.

          • Posted by Marine1 on June 17, 2020 at 6:06 pm

            E- You should take 12 days vacation and put your papers in. You can’t do the job anyway,Murphy,Gruber won’t allow you to so why put yourself at risk.

          • Posted by Marine1 on June 17, 2020 at 6:11 pm

            TL- I was only kidding about the COLA,but my lord did you quake like a scared little rabbit looking to John for assurances. It was hilarious. I have no idea why you seek John’s assurance he doesn’t know and he has never been correct in any prediction he has made in 15 years. I’m sure he’s a nice man,but c’mon.

          • Posted by Tough Love on June 17, 2020 at 7:08 pm

            Marine1,

            Boy did you read that backwards……… saying that the 80% funding ratio requirement was NOT a requirement.

  4. Posted by Skeptical on June 17, 2020 at 3:03 pm

    Do you sincerely think that casualty or health actuaries or the like would apply for this? The Code of Conduct really seems sufficient to prevent that and honestly the FSA/FCA credentials are what make the most sense as there’s very little value in an EA for a public plan.

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  5. The union wants an Attorney appointed, who also is a financial advisor, and actuary, and arbitration official, a union head, a relative of at least 10 mayors.

    Who cares…MATH is still undefeated…yeah COLAs.

    Good luck though, maybe Baghdad Bob is available.

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  6. Posted by Tough Love on June 17, 2020 at 7:22 pm

    Something to follow-up with ……….

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/17/health/hydroxychloroquine-national-stockpile/index.html

    We sure need to see if Trump or his family made any money directly or indirectly from the US Gov’t buying that 63 Million dose stockpile that can not longer be used for it’s intended purpose.

    Stock in the sellers? Something else?

    lol ……….. the only thing greedier than Trump is well, you know !

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  7. Posted by Tough Love on June 17, 2020 at 7:42 pm

    Addressing all Trump fans …………..

    Tidbits coming out from John Bolton’s new book …..

    Did you know that Trump didn’t know that England was a nuclear power?

    And thought Finland was part of Russia.

    Lol……….Lol……….Lol……….Lol……….Lol……….Lol……….Lol

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    • Posted by Rex the Wonder Dog! 🐶🐶🐶🦴🦴🦴 on June 17, 2020 at 11:23 pm

      John Bolton… Are you fucking serious. He is the VILLAGE IDIOT! Plus DoJ is about to indict his sorry war mongering ass ….

      .

      .

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  8. Posted by MJ on June 17, 2020 at 9:27 pm

    No municipal tax increase in my town this year per our mayor, no lay offs either so a win win for all, all around.

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    • Posted by E on June 17, 2020 at 9:43 pm

      Crime rates are soaring and officers are literally walking off the job in many of these liberal utopias. The cities of Portland and Seattle are a joke. What happens when all the smart folks move out because it is not safe? Companies will follow. That CHAZ nonsense should’ve been handled on day one.

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      • Posted by Tough Love on June 17, 2020 at 11:52 pm

        • Until you get rid of the unions, nothing is going to change. one of Brooks attorneys put it best, if the IA department can do whatever they want…what does reporting matter?

          My real fear here is, when the cops go to trial (mind you,I have said before. The whole things should not have even started, he should not have resisted and ran, he should not have been shot in the back…here we are though)…

          …My point is, I do not think a jury convicts them. Then youll see some serious riots. It just kicked the can for political reasons.

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          • Posted by E on June 18, 2020 at 8:04 am

            Lol. The DA is a joke there.
            He said HIMSELF that Georgia defines a taser as a deadly weapon just 2 weeks ago when the police used it on students.
            So, armchair attorneys, what is the million dollar question that you would bring up if you defending this officer????
            This cop is, rightfully so, probably going to walk.
            At least on the most serious charges. Felony murder? The death penalty? When the GBI hasn’t even finished the investigation?? Major problems in this case for the prosecution. A change of venue is warranted in this case. This—-this is why police unions were formed. To officers from LOUSY politicians like th mayor and DA (he is elected so he is a politician). That and to negotiate for decent pay.
            Mayor a little nervous about this blue flu. Good.
            Tell me TL again how this compares to some other kind of job. Lol.

          • Posted by E on June 18, 2020 at 8:08 am

            https://www.fox9.com/news/man-charged-with-conspiracy-to-commit-arson-for-fire-at-minneapolis-polices-third-precinct.amp

            The federal govt is doing their job here. These criminals never would’ve been charged in State court for this. lol.

          • Posted by Rex the Wonder Dog! 🐶🐶🐶🦴🦴🦴 on June 18, 2020 at 1:27 pm

            So, armchair attorneys, what is the million dollar question that you would bring up if you defending this officer????/b>
            He should:
            #1 claim ignorance due to his lack of brain power, as evidenced by being hired on with just a GED;

            #2) blame the Muni for hiring him with only a GED education.

            That is how I would defend him 🙂 .

          • Posted by E on June 18, 2020 at 2:36 pm

            You really move the convo forward. 🙄
            So, legend in your own mind….do you think they will get a felony murder conviction in this case?

          • Posted by Tough Love on June 18, 2020 at 3:24 pm

            E,

            Does the Georgia LAW (not commentary from the DA) actually define a Taser as being a deadly weapon?

            That might change things, but if he was shot AFTER the Taser had be fired (and could not be fired again, something the Officer should have been aware of), that flips it back the other way.

            And the Officer’s kicking him (after shooting him in the back twice) and saying “I got him”, is surely going to work against him …….. assuring that he will be convicted of something.

          • Posted by Tough Love on June 18, 2020 at 3:31 pm

            E, Just read this…

            “Brooks’s death has prompted protests in the city and elsewhere as it emerged that Brooks, 27, was 18ft from Rolfe, and running away, when he pointed the Taser – which prosecutors say Rolfe knew was not functional – before being shot.”

            If accurate (meaning someone running AWAY from the Officer with no functional weapon), Rolfe deserves significant punishment.

          • Posted by E on June 18, 2020 at 5:28 pm

            Significant punishment. Manslaughter at best. There is NO way a murder charge is appropriate considering he fired his gun about a half second or so after having the taser aimed at him. We all saw the taser light go off. So did the officer.
            Yes he was shot in the back and yes he was running away. He also was aiming what the state of Georgia has stated is a DEADLY weapon at the officer prompting the officer to fire. If he hadn’t done that, he more than likely would’ve been found hiding somewhere. I don’t carry a taser. I’m not sure what the distance that they are usable is. I know with a knife the distance is 21 feet. That is the distance that a man (or woman I suppose, especially a “tiger” like you 😉) can cover before an officer can draw and fire a gun before he (or she) is stabbed.
            I think the DA overcharged and it may cost more than his election.

          • Posted by E on June 18, 2020 at 5:48 pm

            And as far as the other cop, who the DA wrongly said will testify, his attorney stated that he lost control of the taser, was then tased, suffered a concussion from his head hitting the pavement, then while concussed stood on the arm of the suspect who he didn’t even know was shot. If all that is true, no charges should have been filed against him.

          • Posted by Tough Love on June 18, 2020 at 6:27 pm

            Quoting E ………… “Significant punishment. Manslaughter at best. There is NO way a murder charge is appropriate considering he fired his gun about a half second or so after having the taser aimed at him. ”

            Did you see what I quoted above? Don’t know if it’s accurate but it said that ….”prosecutors say Rolfe knew was not functional ”

            If that’s accurate, Rolfe had no justification to shoot someone running AWAY from him with no functional weapon. Do you disagree ?

          • Posted by Tough Love on June 18, 2020 at 7:32 pm

            E,

            From another article:

            “”When we examined the videotape and in our discussions with witnesses, what we discovered is during the 2 minutes and 12 seconds, Officer Rolfe actually kicked Mr. Brooks while he laid on the ground. While he was there fighting for his life,” Howard said. ” Secondly, from the videotape, we were able to see that the other officer, Officer Brosnan, actually stood on Mr. Brooks’ shoulders while he was there struggling for his life. “”

            Hopefully you see the problem with such actions ………….. if true.

          • Posted by Marcia on June 18, 2020 at 9:34 pm

            I stop listening and translate someone’s statements as either political or religious when they state what someone else was thinking or what they knew.

            I wouldn’t convict that cop of any charge up to the shooting. I haven’t seen the videos after the shooting to form an opinion.

            Stay safe E.

          • Posted by E on June 19, 2020 at 8:12 pm

            Thank you Marcia.
            Much appreciated!!!

            @TL. Even if, and that’s a big if, Rolfe has it somewhere in the back of his head that the taser was in fact inoperable, certainly a defense could be make that upon having the taser pointed at him by a suspect that he had just fought, a reflex reaction might be to defend yourself against that without even realizing it. Like pulling your hand away from a hot stove. You don’t even think about it. So here we have a man take a shooting stance against the officer. It is certainly possible that he “instincts” took over. Right or wrong. That, in my book, would NOT be murder. No way in that one second reaction time can the officer meet the requirements for a murder conviction. Manslaughter AT BEST. The suspect, chose to aim A DEADLY weapon at an armed person. Tragedy was a result. Now as to the kicking, I haven’t seen the video. If proven, then he should be responsible for that. Assault.
            The other cop? If he did suffer a concussion, then he will be found not guilty of the standing on the shoulder.

          • Posted by Tough Love on June 19, 2020 at 9:20 pm

            Quoting …….. “Even if, and that’s a big if, Rolfe has it somewhere in the back of his head that the taser was in fact inoperable, certainly a defense could be make that upon having the taser pointed at him by a suspect that he had just fought, a reflex reaction might be to defend yourself against that without even realizing it”

            Yes, that may be the case, but I struggle accepting that option because he shot him in the back after he turned and while running away.

            You know don’t HAVE TO try to justify what the Officer (the shooter) did just because you are a Police Officer. Some just make really really bad mistakes that cannot be undone and have serious consequences.

          • Posted by Rex the Wonder Dog! 🐶🐶🐶🦴🦴🦴 on June 21, 2020 at 5:02 pm

            I know with a knife the distance is 21 feet.
            Oh brother, the infamous 21 foot/deadly knife attack … Invented by the GED Wonders themselves. Tell ya what EG, I will give you a knife, you can stand 21 feet away, and you make make your move anytime, anywhere, and we shall see if your “theory” (aka bullshit) is right.🐕 🐕 🐕

          • Posted by Rex the Wonder Dog! 🐶🐶🐶🦴🦴🦴 on June 21, 2020 at 5:08 pm

            You really move the convo forward. 🙄
            So, legend in your own mind….do you think they will get a felony murder conviction in this case?

            Not on a Murder #1 or Murder #2 beef. On a 3rd Degree Murder #3/Voluntary Manslaughter beef: 50/50 IMO of getting 12 people to agree. Possible, but the chances of it happening are not worth the spending the time effort ad $$ going to trial on a weak case. One thing so for sure, this is no where near the culpability f the MN coppers.

          • Posted by E on June 21, 2020 at 8:33 pm

            Rex. The FBI came up with the 21 ft distance from the time an officer perceives and reacts to the threat of a knife attack by unholstering (in some cases with a triple action holster) his or her weapon and discharging the first round from the weapon retention position. Often an adversary who is shot will stay be able to move forward and possibly stab you particularly if he was within 5 ft. One can cover 21 ft pretty damn fast.
            Yea this guy had his gun OUT. Still not murder.

          • Posted by Rex the Wonder Dog! 🐶🐶🐶🦴🦴🦴 on June 22, 2020 at 2:55 am

            Rex. The FBI came up with the 21 ft distance from the time an officer perceives and reacts to the threat of a knife attack by unholstering (in some cases with a triple action holster) his or her weapon and discharging the first round from the weapon retention position.
            I KNOW all about the 21/ft/knife fallacy. I have seen it demonstrated time and again. It is complete bullshit and I will be happy to bring my .45 and you, or anyone else, can bring the biggest knife you want and we can act it out for real, in person. Just make sure your life insurance is paid up 🙂

          • Posted by Anonymous on June 29, 2020 at 10:44 pm

            Why are you so angry?

  9. Posted by Tough Love on June 17, 2020 at 11:35 pm

    You really can’t make this stuff up………

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/17/politics/bolton-book-what-we-learned/index.html

    * Trump asked Chinese President Xi Jinping for help in getting reelected

    * Trump had no problem with China’s concentration camps

    * Pompeo, famously loyal to the President, may have trash-talked him

    * Trump offered to help Turkey’s leader avoid a Justice Department probe

    * The Israeli prime minister didn’t understand why Kushner led on Middle East peace

    * The White House decision-making process was like a ‘food fight’

    * Trump didn’t like sanctions on Russia

    * Trump’s revealing questions: Is Finland a part of Russia?

    * Trump told people that Venezuela is ‘really part of the US’ and wanted to invade

    * rump wanted Attorney General Bill Barr to make CNN reporters ‘serve time in jail’

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    • Who cares. Seriously.

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      • Posted by E on June 18, 2020 at 8:10 am

        This. We agree for once. With everything going on, no one cares. Their minds are made up. If anything, fence sitting Biden voters are moving towards Trump as they see what is happening to our country.

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        • I am going to leave your early reply about the ATL thing alone, other than to say…we mostly agree. A lot of mistakes were made, bad decisions were made. Everything is politcs.

          I flipped channels at 5pm last night, both FOX and CNN were covering the Brooks/ATL press conference. MSNBC was ignoring it and talking about Bolton.

          People that care, go out of their way to care. 95% of the population is just tired of it all. That is Trumps biggest risk. However, Biden is a puppet. His teleprompter speech yesterday you could almost see an arm up his back moving his mouth.

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        • Posted by Tough Love on June 18, 2020 at 9:48 am

          E,

          LOL …. fence sitting Evangelist Christian Republicans have have more than their fill of crazy (obviously non-religious) Trump.

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          • Posted by E on June 18, 2020 at 11:30 am

            Yes. They have. As have I. But I have had more of my fill of the recent events. None of which will improve in a Biden admin. He will be pulled by the left. He doesn’t even know what day of the week it is.
            Hard working Americans are appalled at the recent events of the ultra liberal left. They will “speak” in the voting booth.

          • Posted by Tough Love on June 18, 2020 at 12:02 pm

            E,

            I don’t support any of this extreme “left” crap, but Trump is way too unfit to be America’s President.

  10. And btw….the dems are going after the police unions (I am obv not a fan either) but remain silent on the teachers unions…..which represent and defend status quo in all the inner cities, that the black community rightfully says….systemic racism exists. But, nope…no charter schools….no school choice. Hypocrites.

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    • Posted by Tough Love on June 18, 2020 at 9:51 am

      Teacher self-interest. ……….. charter schools take away money from non-charter school budgets, and produce better student outcomes.

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      • The fact that Hoboken NJ is still a former abbott district, yet only has 40% of its students in traditional public schools says it all. The people with money wouldnt dare send their kids to Hoboken schools.

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  11. Posted by MJ on June 18, 2020 at 9:36 am

    Totally agree, DEMS going after LE. If they can screw them then they can screw anybody. Also agree, who cares about Bolton? another lifetime political hack who has an axe to grind especially since he was terminated. Oh the humiliation of it all!

    Also, read where the Atlanta, Georgia DA is under investigation for taking 250K from somewhere and using it for his personal expenses and has 3 sexual assault allegations against him….sounds like a real sweetheart.

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    • Posted by Tough Love on June 18, 2020 at 10:22 am

      Quoting ….”who cares about Bolton? “.

      It’s not about Bolton, but that Bolton is disclosing with FIRSTHAND evidence that Trump is incompetent, unfit, and dangerous. And that’s why Trump is fighting so hard to stop the book’s publication.

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  12. Posted by MJ on June 18, 2020 at 9:42 am

    THIS and E,, per one of my previous posts, I’m not sure why TL feels the need to insert something off topic regarding Trump into most every blog article.

    I agree, nobody cares, they are too concerned about what’s going on with defunding their police departments, crazy groups like CHAZ being permitted to take over a section of the city, the police shootings, protests, riots, looting, etc. tearing down statues and defacing monuments. When will it come to all of our communities and our police will be prevented from stopping any of it.

    Just read where Philly’s police department funding was significantly cut. I won’t be going there much for dinner or entertainment.

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    • Some people cannot help themselves. They just get outraged over everything…and they want other to feel the way they do and for the life of them cannot understand why other do not. Its echo chamber mentality.

      I have said before, I live in the middle. I do not have a political party that represents me.

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    • Posted by Tough Love on June 18, 2020 at 10:27 am

      Why does Trump need to be front and center?

      Read the title of his niece’s new book………

      “Too Much And Never Enough: How My Family Created The World’s Most Dangerous Man “

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    • Posted by Marine1 on June 18, 2020 at 11:04 am

      MJ- We are witnessing the last gasp of air from these minority run cities. High crime, high unemployment ,worst schools in the country for decades.Whatever buisness that’s left will flee,the ultra white liberals will as well as they get victimized. Just be thankful you don’t have to go to these cities.

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  13. Posted by MJ on June 18, 2020 at 8:03 pm

    This, I am grateful that I don’t live in one of these ultra liberal progressive cities or towns. However, my kids do bc of their jobs so of course I worry. Hard to imagine what we are all living through right now and hard to know how it will all end up. I just for the life of me can’t understand why they keep voting for the same liberal, career politicians who have done absolutely nothing for their schools, communities or businesses. These city politicians have been around forever but they are confident of the vote. I wonder what would happen if they started to get kicked to the curb as a wake up call. Are people really that stupid?

    It defies logic but what do I know?

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    • Posted by Marine1 on June 18, 2020 at 8:59 pm

      MJ- First I hope your children will always be safe. I just don’t see how these cities think defunding police,cutting millions from police budgets,allowing criminals to go unchecked,decriminalization policies,bail reform,letting rioters damage,burn property is going to be a selling point for buisness to thrive and real estate to go up. I just don’t see it. I must be missing something,but every street corner will be infested with drug dealers in these cities I think when they see no one is keeping them in check. Again I just don’t see it working at all.

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      • Posted by PS Drone on June 18, 2020 at 10:05 pm

        I’m 73 and have never seen anything like this. As a history buff, I now have some understanding of what things were like in the late 1850’s. Civil war awaits. These cities deserve all of the bad things that are going to happen to them.

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        • Posted by E on June 19, 2020 at 7:27 am

          One does have to wonder how we will all get along to the point of uniting the country. 😐
          Sad.

          @TL as stated earlier—. The non shooting cop in this situation allegedly (not proven yet) was struck by the taser and then hit his head on the pavement causing a concussion. Then he stood in the guys arm because he didn’t know what had happened and wanted to immobilize him from grabbing a weapon. Hardly aggravated assault. If the medical reports show he was concussed as a result of the SUSPECTS action, he will and should be found not guilty of all charges.

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          • Posted by Tough Love on June 19, 2020 at 8:07 am

            That seems reasonable. Certainly might have been confused if concussed.

          • Posted by E on June 19, 2020 at 8:16 pm

            Yea but why wait if we can rush to judgement and burn down cities……
            These leftist agitators should be called out by the moderate liberals. Glad I’m not working on Tulsa tomorrow.

          • Posted by Tough Love on June 19, 2020 at 9:07 pm

            E,

            They’re not mad about cop #2, it’s cop #1 who shot hm in the back 2x……… and then kicked him (WTF?)

          • Posted by E on June 20, 2020 at 11:41 am

            The officer denies kicking the suspect. We have seen only a still photo that shows his one leg bent. The attorney for him claims that he was bending down and Not kicking.
            The question is what is going to happen to our country. Will we rebound from this? Or will we see another civil war. The third. Fought in a manner similar to the first one. (The revolution—which was in effect a civil war). Where we would have mixed amongst us people wishing to overthrow the government as opposed to 2 large geographical areas as in the second civil war.
            Me? I hope for all our sakes that things calm down.

          • Posted by Tough Love on June 20, 2020 at 12:03 pm

            So do I ………… and

            (1) Black lives DO matter, and

            (2) the looters need to be caught and prosecuted

  14. Posted by geo8rge on June 21, 2020 at 9:41 am

    Seattle Protesters’ Call to Scrap Police Pensions Can’t Be Met by City
    https://www.newsweek.com/seattle-chaz-protest-pension-demand-cannot-met-1511099

    Compromise in the works, instead of defund the police, defund the retired police.

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  15. Posted by MJ on June 23, 2020 at 5:19 pm

    THIS If find it disturbing that Hoboken is considered an Abbott district yet has 700K homes there including one the mayor lives in. Real estate taxes really really low. Do you remember the broo ha ha when a re-assessment was suggested. They all about blew a casket and of course it never happened and probably never will.

    Oh and now the mayor of Seattle wants the CHAZZ people gone…..according to her it is becoming too violent.

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