O’Scanlon on NJ Benefits Reform

State Senator Declan O’Scanlon trying to explain the need to reduce costs for public sector benefits in New Jersey to an NJEA lackey:
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What struck me:

  1. The complete disconnect between reducing costs and paying for benefits. That $8 billion amount (20% of the state budget) apparently consists of $4.2 billion for health care and $3.8 billion for pensions. In addition localities and public employees put in about $2 billion each into the pension system while payouts are in the $11 billion range, and rising. All that New Jersey has been doing for the last 30 years is artificially (and what should be illegally) reducing costs.
  2. Teachers are underpaid in New Jersey if your point of reference is Steve Adubato’s half-a-million dollar salary for producing this propaganda.

 

19 responses to this post.

  1. Posted by Tough Love on April 7, 2019 at 9:48 am

    Quoting …………….

    “All that New Jersey has been doing for the last 30 years is artificially (and what should be illegally) reducing costs.”

    It should ALSO be illegal for taxpayers to not have a REAL seat at the table in ALL elements of compensation negotiations. The Elected Officials (and/or their management representatives) who now negotiate with the Public Sector Unions have a conflict of interest (and most often BRIBED with Union campaign contributions) ………… i.e., being in the same or similar pension & benefit Plans, taking a hard line with the Unions would negatively impact THEMSELVES.

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  2. Posted by LuTbbetts on April 7, 2019 at 9:56 am

    What strikes me is how the legislature voted even richer benefits to “dreamers” and a host of other social welfare recipients. While I have planned and saved for my own children’s educations, our “guests” are permitted instate tuition, scholarships based on a variety of factors other than academic achievement, and stipends, that properly managed, permit students to graduate college with a tax-payer provided nest egg. Cease this crying over the cost of all of our public employees who actually contribute to their own pension systems as well as to the public good until you stop using taxpayers’ money as a charity, to virtue signal, or to promote a global or socio-political agenda. When your car is jacked, who will you call? a dreamer or a law enforcement officer?

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    • Posted by Tough Love on April 7, 2019 at 10:22 am

      Nice try (it’s called “diversion”) ………… clearly YOU are one of the Public Sector MOOCHERS.

      While all of the waste that you noted is true, NONE OF IT justifies the ludicrously excessive, unnecessary, unjust, and clearly unaffordable pensions and benefits now granted Public Sector workers. Do Taxpayers not have BETTER uses for their money than over-compensatiung Public Sector workers?
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      Oh, and love the bit that Public Sector workers “actually contribute to their own pension systems”.

      ALL of the workers own contributions (INCLUDING all the investment returns thereon) accumulated to the date of retirement are rarely sufficient to buy more than 10% to 20% of the total cost of their ludicrously excessive pensions ……….. pensions that are ROUTINELY 3 to 4 times (4 to 6 times for Safety workers) greater in value upon retirement than those of Private sector workers who retire with the SAME wages, the SAME years of service, and at the SAME age at retirement.

      TAXPAYER contributions (and the investment earnings thereon) and responsible for the other 80% to 90% of Total Plan costs.

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      • Posted by Anonymous on April 7, 2019 at 11:52 am

        You seem to discount his person’s opinion because they simply don’t agree with you!! Moocher? Nice talk.
        While it is not enough, I agree, the teachers in fact do contribute to their pensions. So that is not a lie.
        He is also correct that vast sums of money are given to people who provide FAR less of a service to the public than teachers, police and fire etc. if they provide any service at all!!
        And you are incorrect when you state that taxpayers don’t have a “seat at the table”. Every single one of your duly elected representatives is in fact a taxpayer. The whole idea of having them negotiate these things is because folks like you have a truly distorted idea of overcompensation truly is. You seem to be the type who never had kids in the public schools or has really no clue what police officers and other employees really do on a day in and day out basis.
        You honestly wouldn’t want someone who called you a MOOCHER deciding how much dough you made, now would you?

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        • Posted by Tough Love on April 7, 2019 at 1:37 pm

          Yes ……….. Public Sector Unions and workers are MOOCHERS. For some reason they believe that they are “special” and deserving of a better deal ………… on the Taxpayers’ dime.

          No. they’re NOT.

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          And quoting ……….. “He is also correct that vast sums of money are given to people who provide FAR less of a service to the public than teachers, police and fire”

          So are you saying that because we are stupid for granting such benefits to many undeserving of them, that justifies continuing to OVERCOMPENSATE Public Sector workers ????? Or, 2 “wrongs” make 1 “right” ?

          And quoting ………… “The whole idea of having them negotiate these things is because folks like you have a truly distorted idea of overcompensation truly is.”

          Baloney. Overcompensation occurs when we are forced to pay a Public Sector more than what that job gets in in compensation the Private Sector. Most Public Sector jobs in NJ pay very near EQUAL in cash wages to that paid to Private Sector workers in jobs that require comparable experience, education, skills, and knowledge. Given that very near “wage”-equality, what justifies the ROUTINELY multiples-greater-in-value Public Sector pensions & benefits?

          NOTHING !
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          P.S. Based on your comments, I suspect that you are a Police Officer. FWIW, PO compensation is by a wide margin the MOST egregious. Police wages ALONE are far more than what Private Sector workers with comparable experience, education, skills, and knowledge are paid, and then we layer ON TOP OF THAT Platinum+ healthcare (including in retirement that VERY VERY few in the Private Sector get from their employers any longer) and a pension with a value* 4 to 6 TIMES greater than what a comparably situated Private Sector workers typically gets. It’s outrageous.

          * “value”, factoring in not just the MUCH richer pension formula, but also the MUCH richer pension provisions, such as being able to begin collecting an unreduced pension TYPICALLY in their early 50s.

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      • Posted by Anonymous on April 7, 2019 at 11:58 am

        And who are these private sector workers that you speak of??
        Doctors? Janitors? Small business owners? Car salespeople? Sportcasters? The unemployed? The average wage and benifits of these groups is vastly different. A little perspective would be nice. Why do you want everyone to be the SAME?? Maybe you don’t. Maybe you’re just a cheap miserable man who likes to name call because they never made it big.
        Either way, you seem to think that’s it is ok to ridicule people. You don’t seem to nice and that attitude pushes more people to the fringe.

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        • Posted by Tough Love on April 7, 2019 at 1:39 pm

          All of my comparisons say Public/Private Sector workers in jobs requiring ………….. “comparable experience, education, skills, and knowledge”.

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          • Posted by Anonymous on April 7, 2019 at 1:55 pm

            But what are those jobs? And again, would you want someone who thought of you as a moocher or undeserving of your compensation to such a degree that they result to name calling, having some sort of influence on you’re wage and salary package? Probably not. I am not really defending the entire package, and I do have an in law who teaches. I don’t consider her and her $60,000 or so salary to be a moocher. That’s all I’m saying. I would like to know what you feel is a similar job to teaching and what those similar jobs earn, and for that matter what line of private sector work compares with a police officer and what you feel is a fair compensation package for both professions. You want everyone to be equal. That’s great for social justice. Not so much for compensation packages I guess. Does Oprah deserve all the $$ she makes?? In a world where some folks don’t have a roof over their head, no. Of course she doesn’t. But on the other hand, she is smart enough to take advantage of her talent. She can negotiate her own compensation. As can anyone. Why not teachers?

          • Posted by Tough Love on April 7, 2019 at 2:18 pm

            Quoting Anonymous…………

            “That’s all I’m saying. I would like to know what you feel is a similar job to teaching and what those similar jobs earn, and for that matter what line of private sector work compares with a police officer and what you feel is a fair compensation package for both professions.”

            Teaching ? How about comparing the compensation of Public Sector teachers to those of Private Sector teachers? I would wager that Public Sector teacher “wages” are greater (with equal “education, experience, skills, and knowledge”). and there is certainly ZERO question that Private Sector teachers do NOT get anywhere near the rich pensions & benefits routinely granted Public Sector teachers.

            Of course there are no direct Private Sector jobs comparable to that of Police Officer. But there are MANY Private Sector jobs with equal or greater risk and certainly many Private Sector jobs that require equal levels of education, experience, skills, and knowledge ……. even if in a different field. Y

            Your apparent refusal to accept the latter as a basis for comparison with Police just show your bias………. you DON’T WANT “anything” to be to considered comparable (for compensation-evaluation purposes), because you know that ALL such comparisons lead to the same conclusion ………. the ludicrous over-compensation of Police Officers.

          • Posted by Anonymous on April 7, 2019 at 7:12 pm

            If only it were so simple.

            https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2013/10/why-are-private-school-teachers-paid-less-than-public-school-teachers/280829/

            And for higher education, private sector teaching and administration jobs have always been higher paid than public colleges and universities.

  3. Posted by Manny the moocher on April 7, 2019 at 2:45 pm

    She is a broken down old insurance executive

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    • Posted by Tough Love on April 7, 2019 at 4:01 pm

      Got a problem with the TRUTH ?

      And Financial Service, not Insurance (although there is some overlap).

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    • Posted by Anonymous on April 7, 2019 at 4:03 pm

      A spinster, no doubt. The Queen of mean. A broke joke. A jealous melon.

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      • Posted by Anonymous on April 7, 2019 at 4:04 pm

        I notice you didn’t argue with broken down….lol. Just because you beleive something doesn’t make it the TRUTH.

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        • Posted by Tough Love on April 7, 2019 at 7:58 pm

          I see that the Public Sector “moochers” are out in force …. protecting their “turf” with the usual distractions and diversions.

          When you simply CANNOT factually argue that your pensions & benefits aren’t ludicrously excessive, that’s what you resort to.

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          • Posted by Anonymous on April 7, 2019 at 8:20 pm

            You will never accept any argument or point of view but your own. Biased. Sexist too. Most teachers are female. Why can’t they negotiate for themselves instead of men like you constantly putting them down.

          • Posted by Tough Love on April 7, 2019 at 9:04 pm

            “men” ???

          • Posted by Anonymous on April 7, 2019 at 11:25 pm

            “men” ???

          • Posted by Anonymous on April 8, 2019 at 7:43 am

            Men? I wonder if that’s part of the equation sir. The field is dominated by young females who people like yourself seem to think work a part time job as a baby sitter. Please tell me I am off base here, but I have seen this before.

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