Teaching Students How to Scout Out Truthful News Sources

Yes there is a youtube with that title published on February 4, 2019 with this explanatory blurb:

Steve Adubato goes on-location to the 2018 NJEA Convention to talk to Steve Beatty, Secretary-Treasurer, New Jersey Education Association, about Chapter 78, the public employee pension fund and the importance of teaching kids how to identify truthful news sources.

The referenced youtube is below but, first, a quick clip providing some context on those “truthful news sources”.


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Where some of that NJEA money wound up:

54 responses to this post.

  1. Posted by Tough Love on February 10, 2019 at 11:45 pm

    The BS from this clown didn’t go unnoticed…………

    (1) My understanding is that there is a sliding scale of how much (of an employee’s health insurance premium) an employee pays. It is expressed as a % of the total premium and maxes out at 35% for those making $175,000 annually.

    While there may be a small % oo educators (likely those in administrative positions) paying $10+K annually, the REASON it’s so high is NOT because they pay a higher % of total healthcare costs than their Private Sector counterparts, but BECUASE their total premium for their (FAMILY coverage) healthcare is often $35K annually BECAUSE their Plan has VERY rich benefits and VERY little employee “cost-sharing” via deductibles, coinsurance, and co-pays. Family coverage under typical PRIVATE Sector plans rarely has a total cost over $25K.

    Bottom line ………… the employees are FINALLY paying a “fair share”, and for some it’s a high $ amount, but ONLY because their Plans are MUCH MUCH MUCH richer than those typically granted their PRIVATE Sector counterparts. I.e. ….. if you want “more/better”, you SHOULD pay for it YOURSELF (and NOT treat the Taxpayers as “suckers” obligated to give you a better deal).

    (2) That Union guy said “It’s really time for gov’t to pay their fair share”.

    Now THAT’S a hoot. Gov. Christie correctly pointed out that Teachers typically contribute a $$$ amount to their pensions that equals about 5% of the $$$ amount that (based on their life expectancy) they will collect from their pension. Now that’s indeed a stretch because simply comparing the $$$-in vs $$$-out w/o reflecting the timing of the payments (or the “time value of money”) is an inappropriate way to make the comparison.

    However, even when we DO properly reflect the timing of payment-in vs payments-out, we find that all of the teacher’s contributions (including all of the investment earning thereon) will rarely accumulate to a sum upon retirement sufficient to pay for more than 10% to 20% of the total cost of their generous pensions. Taxpayer contributions (and the investment earnings thereon) are responsible for the remaining 80% to 90% balance.

    So tell me WHO is it that’s not paying a “fair share” …………….. the Taxpayers or the workers ?

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  2. Posted by geo8rge on February 11, 2019 at 12:38 pm

    Adubato might be using a pre-internet financing model. I wonder if a GoFundMe type campaign might produce alternative voices using internet distribution to reduce production costs.

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  3. Posted by El Gaupo on February 11, 2019 at 2:34 pm

    https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/2812038002

    I wonder what will happen in Denver. My prediction is the teachers will get what they want, because the pay is not what it should be and folks are not lining up to take the job. And by the way, the 35% for healthcare is at
    $110,000 not $175,000. I pay it now for the next 1-6 years anyway. It is about $13,000 out of my pocket. Give me a decent choice that is cheaper(not a $8000 HD plan) and I’d consider it.
    Again though, the teachers in Denver will get what they want. Just like they did in other states last year. The wonderful red states t
    Like Kentucky, where Mitch McConnell and his ilk get back $2.35 for every buck they send to DC. While us Jersey folk get $.82 on the dollar. All while listening to that dopey Iowa
    Shitbag tell us how they won’t revisit the tax law to repeal the Salt. Then I say give me a dollar for a dollar that I send to dc. I am a capitalist for sure, however AOC absolutely nailed it when she was talking about campaign finance issues. And corporate influence in politics. The same “young cops” that TL says will come after my benefits are also going to be voting, along with their cohorts, for AOC in the next 2024 or 2028. The dicks in these red states push to hard to keep the poor in their place.

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    • Posted by Tough Love on February 11, 2019 at 2:45 pm

      Speaking of “campaign finance issues” …………… BY FAR, the best thing that could ever happen to Taxpayers is if Public Sector Unions were barred for contributing (directly or indirectly via Pacs) to the campaigns of Elected Officials.

      WIth BRIBES no longer coming in, politicians would dump the greedy Unions in a heartbeat.
      ———————————

      El gaupo,

      S5 protected your pension, but NOT your ridiculous healthcare benefits (yea …. FREE coverage …and possibly starting at age 49 for you). I can see you cringe if YOU (instead of the Taxpayers now being “suckered” to do so) had to pay $35k/years out-of-pocket.

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      • Posted by Anonymous on February 11, 2019 at 3:08 pm

        I called your response in my next post below. Lol. Do you agree with AOC? And if you do, does that make you a socialist?
        Maybe we should have Medicare for all?? I don’t know. I fall in the camp of those who do not work, shall not eat. But…..she does have a point.

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  4. Posted by Anonymous on February 11, 2019 at 2:41 pm

    Lightning round. Worth a watch. She nails it. She is a rising star for sure. I don’t agree with her but she is 100% on point with this one.
    TL will say “like your union” blah blah blah.
    If employers treated cops and teachers fairly (and we see what happens in “right to be poor”
    Uh, I mean right to work states with the teachers strikes) then we would not need unions. But with cheapskates like TL and the rest we do. Most cops in other states jaws drop when they find out what we make here in Jersey. They can’t believe it!!! But they also bristle when they find out how expensive shit is here.

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  5. Posted by Anonymous on February 11, 2019 at 2:46 pm

    LA teachers. 6% raise!!! Oakland next. Let’s see how long Denver’s principals can keep the schools running. Pay them a damn fair wage.
    They have ALL the power with a strike. Which is why I can’t. Imagine if the cops all went on strike???? This country would be like the Purge.

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    • Posted by PS Drone on February 11, 2019 at 6:15 pm

      By all means, pay them a fair wage. And give them fair benefits too….like a pension that should be about half of what they get now (after a soul-crushing 30 years on the job [sarc on]).

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      • Posted by Tough Love on February 11, 2019 at 7:51 pm

        In NJ…………. due the the ridiculously generous structure of the pension Plan, MOST police retire after only 25 (NOT 30) years, often in the early 50s.

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        • Posted by El gaupo on February 11, 2019 at 8:01 pm

          I know. Ain’t that great!!!

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        • Posted by Anonymous on February 11, 2019 at 8:03 pm

          I know. Ain’t that great!!!

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          • Posted by Tough Love on February 11, 2019 at 8:35 pm

            Many of this Blog’s Private sector taxpayers will get that warm and fuzzy feeling WHEN your Healthcare subsidy & pension are materially reduced.

          • Posted by Anonymous on February 11, 2019 at 8:57 pm

            Hmmmm….you just stated earlier that S5 would protect it. That warm and fuzzy feeling may be the Metamucil (sp)
            As we will be waaaaaayy older before any of that stuff happens to the handsome one. Wanna hang sometime? Golf? Skiing? Whattya think??? My treat!!!!

          • Posted by stanley on February 12, 2019 at 2:33 pm

            “That warm and fuzzy feeling may be the Metamucil (sp)
            As we will be waaaaaayy older before any of that stuff happens to the handsome one.”

            I don’t believe that I would bet the farm on that one.

      • PSDrone…agreed, pay them a fair wage and fair benefits similar to what private sector employees receive…….how about no pension but switching to 401K type retirement plans and no retirement until at least age 62 like SS
        You are correct, those poor teachers working a “bone crushing” 30 years…….with all that paid time off during the school year and over the summer

        The only reason they will get most of what they want is because their union would never allow outsiders to come in and take over the classrooms…….I’m sure many, many qualified retired private people or underemployed qualified private people could do the job teaching math, English, history, business and finance, science

        Ridiculous all around

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        • Posted by Anonymous on February 12, 2019 at 8:51 am

          MJ. I like you buddy but you are wrong here. These walkouts have nothing to do with the unions not allowing subs to come in, and everything to do with literally NO qualified people interested in doing the job for the compensation offered. Why do you think these Board of Ed folks bend over backwards to give them everything they want? Because they called their bluff, walked off the job and there is NO one there to take their place. The pay really is awful in those areas. It has nothing to do with anything but that. There are no successful private sector folks clamoring to take their jobs because the pay package is truly not worth it. That is why Denver teachers will get what they want. Why go thru the nonsense that you see?? Have you see all the kids walking out and screaming and dancing etc in the halls there? Most of the states where this is happening have extremely weak if any unions. My sister in law is one of them. She makes $45, 000 with a masters degree. She has taught in rural VA for 18 years. And got her first raise in over 8 years. There truly are very few people, and college graduates, that want to work for that. It is a noble profession, but not one that folks take to be poor. Everyone is very quick to malign them, switch places though. Imagine if in your profession you couldn’t play one company off of another. If talent couldn’t use the threat of going to work for a competitor, they would not be earning nearly as much. That’s just a fact. Teacher pay scales, as are police pay scales, start at the bottom. Meaning if a teacher with 10 years on, went to another district they would be making entry level money. I want to know what the hell do these states(bastions of conservative freedom) do with all the DAMN $$ that they get from us here in Jersey and other blue states. What does Mitch McConnell do with the $2.32 he receives for every buck he gets from DC??? $1.32 profit. Where as we pay $.18 more on every buck we send there. How about trying to educate your populace so the next generation doesn’t need to take so much. Same thing as urban districts here. They take way more than they give. But NJ taxpayers support that, not the federal taxpayers. Those states would be in absolute dire straights if that ratio was ever switched. And why?

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          • Posted by Anonymous on February 12, 2019 at 9:02 am

            Anonymous…I said “pay them a fair wage” that can mean different things depending on cost of living in different states……….and you are incorrect in that the union allows subs to come in….the only reason the teachers can get most of what they demand is because education is state and federally mandated so the show must go on……..

            I will admit though that anymore teaching in a public school is brutal with all that teachers must deal with in a classroom but the other side is that they rarely if ever can lose their job due to tenure and union rules so how does one put a cost on that?

        • Posted by PS Drone on February 12, 2019 at 8:54 am

          Like FDR stated….unions and “public service” do not go together. Just look at what has happened to the private sector taxpayer over the past 40 years. What a country!

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          • Posted by Anonymous on February 12, 2019 at 8:59 am

            Lol. PS drone…. all these areas where they have problems are in areas with NO or very weak union representation. You know the bastion of freedom areas known as right to work states.

        • Posted by Anonymous on February 12, 2019 at 8:58 am

          And one more question…
          How the hell on Gods green earth can you have NO retirement until age 62?????? You are no longer giving them a pension!!!!!
          They can leave whenever they want and take their 457 plan with them!!!!!! Never understood that ridiculous statement. Like these blowhards “these cops should get NO pensions and NO early retirement”. Huh? Wouldn’t it just be plain old quitting then to work somewhere else?????? How would you prohibit that??? The reality is these districts were NOT paying nearly enough to retain qualified teachers. The only reason they went on strike is BECAUSE of their pensions. If they had a 401k only they would have left the profession already. Lol. How do you not see that? It doesn’t matter what either side thinks is fair. What matters is the compensation must be good enough to retain talented teachers. Whether that level is below or above what the private sector “average” is. Why is it only OK for a private sector employee to try to Better himself? Don’t these teachers have families too? Otherwise socialize everything then and pay everyone the same. (Sarcasm).

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          • Posted by El Gaupo on February 12, 2019 at 9:01 am

            By the way. Last few posts were mine. Had to put my pseudonym, aka, stage name. back in there lol.

          • Posted by Anonymous on February 12, 2019 at 9:08 am

            Anonymous…I haven’t heard anyone say not to pay teachers a decent wage……..as far as retirement they can retire the same way everyone else does….save for it, have 401Ks and maybe a small pension that is accrued through the years….does that sound absurd to you? Retirement at age 62 is early for majority of private workers so how do justify teachers being able to retire at age 55-58 or after to quote PSD “bone crushing 30 years of work”

            As far as lifetime health benefits…forget about it……they can pay for their own post retirement health benefits until they qualify for Medicare just like most other working people

            Say what you will, current financial issues are just not sustainable. What the public schools need to do is grow a pair and be able to expel those students who do not wish to learn, therefore, making a teacher’s job much more rewarding

          • Posted by El Gaupo on February 12, 2019 at 9:13 am

            That is why I think that any pension reform here in Jersey will NOT include teachers. At least it won’t be totally removed and replaced with a 457 plan. In the back of their minds, these districts will not want a situation where their schools are getting worse because a bunch of teachers happened to leave at the same time for other professions or even worse, for another district. Assuming pay scales would be a thing of the past to. These districts when it comes down to it are comforted by the fact that Mrs. Jones, who the kids love and by all accounts is a good teacher, is stuck in the district because of her pension and pay scale. See what I’m saying? There are very few winners that come from areas that have awful education systems. Your Fortune 500 executives are certainly not coming from the back woods and low taxes areas like Arkansas. Or Iowa or whatever backwards place that is where the Congressman thinks that raped women can will themselves not get pregnant. Huh?? Do you have a working brain?? And you represent people in Congress? They actually elected someone like they.
            What am I talking about. Look st our president for Pete’s sake.

          • Posted by Tough Love on February 12, 2019 at 2:09 pm

            Quoting El gaupo ………..

            How the hell on Gods green earth can you have NO retirement until age 62?????? (from PS Drone).

            I’d wager that PS Drone meant ……….. no UNREDUCED retirements until age 62, with full actuarial reduction for (of no less than 5% per-year-of-age) retiring and collecting at an earlier age.

        • Posted by Anonymous on February 12, 2019 at 2:51 pm

          @ El Guapo Uno: The private sector enables and supports the public sector. So, you really should spend some time working in the private sector so that you will have a sound basis for offering opinions. America has far too many trough dwellers pontificating about what the taxpayers should hand over.

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  6. Posted by Anonymous on February 12, 2019 at 9:11 am

    El Gaupo….to respond to most of your posts

    The financial, pension, retirement, healthcare conundrum is a multi faceted issue with so many hands in the pot who knows where it will all end up

    More and more people will opt to homeschool or send their children to private schools, school choice, etc where students are open to learning and parents have a stake in their child’s education. There will always, always be opportunity for outstanding teachers.

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    • Posted by Anonymous on February 12, 2019 at 9:17 am

      They will do they because the school systems suck. The few that do that now do it for many reasons. But if there was a mass exodus out of public schools it would only be because they SUCK because no good educators worked there. Most of these walkouts are about pay. And most of the decent private schools here are lots of money, many of the students there are athletic standouts. Most upper middle class folks here just send their kids to the #2 ranked public school system in the country. Still could be improved on but…

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      • Posted by Anonymous on February 12, 2019 at 12:01 pm

        Anonymous…I think that you may have it backward…public schools suck because they can not get rid of the inept, non-productive teachers and to add insult to injury the bad teachers get the same raise as the outstanding teachers

        Once a teacher is tenured it is very difficult if not impossible to move to another district for many reasons….one being the new district does not want to pay a higher salary for experience when they can hire a new teacher

        Tenured teachers also do not want to risk losing their tenure by moving to another district

        Not saying it never happens but it is more the exception

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        • Posted by Anonymous on February 12, 2019 at 1:05 pm

          By any metric available the public schools in NJ do not suck.

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        • Posted by Anonymous on February 12, 2019 at 1:08 pm

          And you hit the damn nail right on the head MJ. See I’m watching my language. You’re words not mine…the district will not want to pay for an experienced teacher when they can pay a new one less money. Damn right!!!!!! The whole reason that tenure exists!!!!! Because school boards would dump teachers after a few years to hire new ones. You figured it out without really even trying hard!!!!!
          Most of all of these protections were put in place because of that reason and cronyism!!!!!

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    • Posted by Anonymous on February 12, 2019 at 9:27 am

      What do folks NOT get about early retirement retirement? Which btw is 65 here in Jersey for teachers!!!
      If you work for a company in the private sector with no pension what the hell diffeence does it make!!!!! Oh my God. What don’t you understand???? If an employee has NO pension, how the hell can you say to that employee “ you can’t retire until you hit 65”.
      Of course they can’t to get SS.
      But you are saying that if they leave the profession early they will somehow be penalized. HOW?????????? Will you keep there 401k now????? Do you get it????
      With no pension, there is NO retirement package at all!!!!!!! Hence no early retirement “penalty”. It would like working for IBM. You wanna leave at 55 or 58 or 47 or whenever go ahead. There is no benifit accrual for length of service anymore. Christ. Honestly how you not understand that!!!!!
      Just like the asinine statement of “doing more with less”. Yeah ok.

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      • Posted by El Gaupo on February 12, 2019 at 9:34 am

        Not sure why I’m listed as anonymous now sometimes.
        I am done with this ridiculous conversation. I was wrong TL. You are smart enough to figure out that with no pension or medical benefits after a set number of years. There is in fact no minimum retirement age. How can there be???? Either a teacher works until 65, then RETIRES with her 401k and goes on SS (at 67) and Medicare OR they leave with their 401K at any damn age they please, and go work somewhere else until 65 and then go on SS and Medicare. Can I make it any clearer???? Either way, when their employment ends with the district, that’s it. No further benifit. Why is this a hard concept??? Does anyone on here still not get it??????

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        • Posted by Anonymous on February 12, 2019 at 12:07 pm

          El Gaupo, I’m not getting it so please explain. When a teacher’s employment ends with the district via retirement, a pension (based on so many years of highest pay) and full health benefits, unpaid sick time, etc kicks in…..I thought a teacher needed 25 years plus age 55 depending on when they started….it might have gone up to 62 in recent years

          So please explain what you mean

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          • Posted by El Gaupo on February 12, 2019 at 12:25 pm

            The age was increased from 62 to 65 in 2011 for all new teachers. But….
            MJ you can’t be serious. What I mean is if there are on a go forward basis for new and recent teachers, NO post employment benefits of any kind there is no de facto minimum retirement age is there? It is the same as any 401k only private sector job. Leave if you desire and take your 401 w you.
            If you are talking about just a reduced smaller pension, then yes the retirement age (to receive the pension) would be still in play. Much like private sector jobs that still have a DB pension.
            That’s all I’m saying….no pension equals no mandatory minimum retirement age. It would just be leave if you want to work somewhere else. Not like today where you are locked in to a certain amount of years because you would giving up the pension if you left. As a result you would teachers who did stay work for many school districts in an attempt to better their lot in life. The better wealthier districts would NO DOUBT pay way more in this new free agency type setting to
            Attract and retain talent in the absence of collective bargaining agreements. Why wouldn’t they? Good private sector companies poach talent every day!!!!!

          • Posted by Anonymous on February 12, 2019 at 12:27 pm

            Damn phone….what I mean is the teachers would work for many districts over the course of their careers in order to better their compensation.

          • Posted by Tough Love on February 12, 2019 at 2:23 pm

            Quoting El gaupo ………….

            “That’s all I’m saying….no pension equals no mandatory minimum retirement age.”

            And it took about 10 comments and 1000’s of word to say just THAT………….. lol

          • Posted by Anonymous on February 12, 2019 at 4:18 pm

            Yes…lol. You get that huh?
            Our brains work pretty similar even though we on polar opposites. 🙂.
            Didn’t think it was that hard of a concept.

          • Posted by Tough Love on February 12, 2019 at 4:45 pm

            Oh please, my brain and my “sense of entitlement” is NOTHING like yours.

          • Posted by Anonymous on February 12, 2019 at 6:18 pm

            You’re right. I was trying to make you feel good and say a joke. My bad. We all know I’m waaaaayy smarter.
            I think the ONLY reason you don’t like trump is that you are female. Lol.

          • Posted by Tough Love on February 12, 2019 at 8:22 pm

            Oh, so there are no reasons for males to not like Trump ?

            You’re showing that very low IQ again.

          • Posted by Anonymous on February 12, 2019 at 9:22 pm

            I never said that. You just did. I think Trump sucks too. For a whole host of reasons. It just bothers you to think that I may be right on anything. Lol.

      • Posted by Anonymous on February 12, 2019 at 12:04 pm

        Anonymous…….not sure that retirement for teachers is age 65 in NJ unless this is a very new rule. All and I repeat ALL of the teachers I know retired early to mid 50s with full pension and full post retirement health benefits for themselves, spouse and any child under age 26 still living at home.

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        • Posted by Anonymous on February 12, 2019 at 12:28 pm

          They retired under the old system that changed beginning in 2007. The last of a generation.

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        • Posted by PS Drone on February 12, 2019 at 12:50 pm

          And now you are fully cognizant as to why the assets in the teachers’ pension fund will be fully depleted sometime during the next ten years. I got mine, why should I worry about anyone coming after me?

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          • Posted by Anonymous on February 12, 2019 at 1:17 pm

            Or put another way….let’s honor the agreement that was in effect when I was hired and let the newer teachers take the job with what is offered at the time. Why is it the older employees problem that after they are hired, the rules change for new hires??
            And I’m not even in TPAF. However I do think that if that system had 65 as an age for everyone the system would be just fine. But that is the states problem….certainly not the cops (thank you S5)

          • Posted by Anonymous on February 12, 2019 at 1:18 pm

            Or put another way….let’s honor the agreement that was in effect when I was hired and let the newer teachers take the job with what is offered at the time. Why is it the older employees problem that after they are hired, the rules change for new hires??
            And I’m not even in TPAF. However I do think that if that system had 65 as an age for everyone the system would be just fine. But that is the states problem….certainly not the cops (thank you S5)
            And let’s not forget the states unwillingness to pay into the fund what it was owed for the last 20 years….again thank you S5

          • Posted by Tough Love on February 12, 2019 at 2:36 pm

            Quoting El gaupo …………..

            “Or put another way….let’s honor the agreement that was in effect when I was hired and let the newer teachers take the job with what is offered at the time. Why is it the older employees problem that after they are hired, the rules change for new hires??”

            Wow, just look at the abundance of “entitlement mentality”.

            I’l try to explain it to you……….

            (1) YOU pay for only a VERY VERY small share (10% to 15%) of your VERY VERY rich promised pension & benefits.
            (2)The Taxpayers (about 85% of whom work in the Private Sector) pay for the 85% to 90% balance.
            (3) The Taxpayers RARELY gets retirement security and retiree healthcare benefits with a value of even 25% of what YOU have been promised.
            (4) The (now rather meager) retirement security and retiree healthcare benefits promised Private Sector workers at the time they are hired never have been, are not now, and never will be guaranteed to remain in place for their entire career.
            —————————

            What make YOU (i.e Public Sector workers) so “special” that they deserve not only far richer Taxpayer-funded pensions & benefits, but a guarantee that they can never be reduced after the date of hire ?

          • Posted by Tough Love on February 12, 2019 at 6:03 pm

            El gaupo,

            What ? No response ?

            You’re shooting out comments at a fast pace (both under El gaupo and under “Anonymous”), but you apparently have no response to a simple question ………

            “What make YOU (i.e Public Sector workers) so “special” that they deserve not only far richer Taxpayer-funded pensions & benefits, but a guarantee that they can never be reduced after the date of hire ?”

          • Posted by Anonymous on February 12, 2019 at 6:21 pm

            Has nothing to do with special or whether or not I “deserve” anything. Same way does a baseball player “deserve” millions a year???? No. But his union was smart enough to get great deals for its members, the players. And my union was smart enough to assist me with a decent standard of living. Simple as that. Anything less is un-American.

          • Posted by Tough Love on February 12, 2019 at 8:01 pm

            Quoting El gaupo………….

            “…his union was smart enough to get great deals for its members”

            Ah yes, do you mean how your Police Association (meaning UNION) BOUGHT the favorable votes of NJ’s Elected Officials (on Public Sector pay, pensions, and benefits) with BRIBES disguised as campaign contributions ?

            We all know that’s how we have arrived in the current untenable situation.
            ——————————-

            Next stop, givebacks, and we’re gonna start with your free retiree healthcare benefits.

  7. Posted by El Gaupo on February 12, 2019 at 12:04 pm

    Gee. I’d rather live in Oklahoma where one of my representatives while in a DC snowstorm actually said “I’m holding a snowball in the Congress. There is no climate change”. Lol.
    It’s snkwing in Jersey today, so there is no climate change. Lol. Such stupid people, honest to God.

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    • Posted by stanley on February 12, 2019 at 4:59 pm

      Everyone acknowledges that the climate changes. The argument is over the cause, i.e. CO2, the sun, volcanic eruptions and so on. A scientist such as yourself should know that, for crying out loud! Anyway, constable, your posting activity today will make readers wonder if there is any education in NJ at all. I don’t think too many will come away thinking, jiminy! this bird knows what he is writing about!

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