NJ Acting Governor Has a Plan

New Jersey Senate president (and de facto governor) Stephen Sweeney was taken to task by Stuart Vareny on Fox New last Wednesday for his state’s highest in the nation (and rising) taxes:
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The reforms (as mentioned in May) will be rolling out this coming week. What do you think?

Other answers:

  • Raise the retirement age. Consolidate programs

Full Sweeney/Varney interview:
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81 responses to this post.

  1. Posted by Tough Love on July 29, 2018 at 12:43 pm

    Sweeney was a bit too quick to agree that Taxes in NJ will “come down”.

    Let’s be realistic, if Public Sector pensions & benefits …..AS CURRENTLY PROMISED ….. and not VERY materially reduced for the future service of all CURRENT workers …. taxes in NJ will very materially INCREASE.

    The best we can hope for is to STOP any tax increases beyond the rate of inflation, and just doing THAT, is dependent on those VERY material Public Sector pension & benefit reductions.

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    • Posted by MJ on July 30, 2018 at 6:41 am

      TL I agree that pensions and health benefits need to be reformed but so do many many other things in NJ that as Varney stated “the state is going nowhere” and btw I loved how he did not let Sweeney off the hook

      If memory serves correctly, Sweeney has been talking about the demise of public pensions for years and has wanted to change them but nothing ever happened

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      • Posted by Tough Love on July 30, 2018 at 7:43 am

        “Nothing happens” because a positive Legislative vote to effect change is so difficult to obtain BECAUSE those Legislators don’t want to derail to flow of Public Sector Union BRIBES disguised as campaign contributions.

        The Union Officials AND our Legislators should be prosecuted for Bribe giving & accepting.

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      • One wonders how much those damb unions had to bribe the legislature to get rid of COLAs?
        If there is no statute of limitations, maybe we should prosecute those legislators and reinstate the COLAs.

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        • Posted by Tough Love on July 30, 2018 at 9:29 am

          Big Whoop. The Taxpayers rid themselves (after DECADES) of being forced to pay for one more beneficial enhancement (COLA-increases) that almost never accompanies Private Sector pensions.

          Now perhaps we can move on to the MOIRE financially impactful Public Sector pension ABUSES …………. “formula-factor” sometimes TWICE as great as those employed by Private Sector Plans, and unreduced retirement ages 5, 10 even 15 years YOUNGER than the age at which a Private Sector worker can begin collecting an unreduced pension in a Private Sector Plan ….. with that ALONE have a financial impact that DOUBLES the Plan’s cost.
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          Now crawl back under your Public Sector rock where the others of your ilk reside.

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        • Don’t be invalid.

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  2. Posted by skip3house on July 29, 2018 at 1:19 pm

    TL always ‘on point.’ No pension Rx, and no reimbursed Medicare, same as with rest of us. Reduce ‘Pensions’ by unfunded political promises,use DC not DB, ‘or’ just cut pensions being paid now/future by 40-60% (has been said), lower pension $$-less cut, higher more % cut. Raise ages of retirement…. Then,
    move that cruel school property tax on home/apt/condo to fairer increased NJ income tax so NJ can pay 100% of ‘Adequacy’ school costs…..no involved formulas,rebates,…..needed, and NJ still has school property taxes on non-residential.

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  3. It isn’t always about you, pensions. Even without pension costs, taxes in New Jersey, and most other states, will NOT come down. Not without giving up something in other areas. As we have all heard, many times, from several sources… The math always wins.

    Healthcare, welfare, education, transportation, these are not getting cheaper.

    You can increase taxes, and some people will leave. You can decrease wages and benefits for state employees, and, guess what! Some of them will leave, also. The ones who stay will probably not be the best and the brightest; that’s just not the way it works.

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    • Posted by MJ on July 30, 2018 at 6:48 am

      Stephen I highly doubt any public workers will leave if their sweet deal is significantly reformed……unless they plan on moving once retired. All those lucrative private sector opportunities they gave up to “serve” the public, they simply do not have the skills, work ethic or fortitude needed to work privately……at least the public workers that I know are used to no accountability, job security regardless of performance, extensive sick days, vacations and perks, platinum health beenfits…..the list goes on

      I think I can safely say that the publics will be leaving their jobs if drastic reforms are enacted in the near future……just MHO

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      • Public workers are constantly leaving their sweet deals already. Last I heard, about half of those who take public jobs don’t even stay long enough to vest in a DB pension (usually 5 years)
        According to BLS, the average tenure for public workers is about 8 years.
        That’s one of the main talking points for those advocating DC plans. They are portable for those who are shorter term employees, and there are a lot of shorter term public-sector employers.

        Maybe you just hang with the wrong public employees. That’s called selection bias.

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      • Posted by El gaupo on July 30, 2018 at 10:57 am

        MJ. Come down off your fucking high horse. There are many shitty employees in the private sector. Lol. You don’t think that I’ll have the “fortitude” to work in the private sector when I retire? That’s a laugh. I think I’ll be able to handle it just fine. Lol.
        And quite frankly, who the fuck are you to question my work ethic??? You don’t even know me!!! Just as I have no fucking right to question yours.
        Your blanket statement is insulting to those of us who do work hard and happen to work in public sector. Something you could’ve done years ago when you decided on a career.
        Jusge someone based on their character. You’ve never spent a day in my shoes, as I have never in yours.
        However, if you gonna insult my work ethic and fortitude when you don’t even know me than you can go fuck yourself.

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        • Posted by MJ on July 30, 2018 at 1:09 pm

          El gaupo, if you re-read my post I thought that I had made it clear that I was mainly referring to those public workers that I know and yes I know a lot of them……….as there are so many it is impossible to avoid them……..maybe Stephen is right and I am just hanging with the wrong ones

          I am sure that you and many others work very hard however, you are not entitled to more that what can be afforded by those paying for it at the expense of NJ going down the toilet. I have no problem paying police, fire, etc who work in inner city, urban areas any and all benefits that the currently have as I have stated many times.

          And I stand by my statement of opinion that if significant reforms are enacted tomorrow with significant cuts, all publics will stay in their cushy jobs (police and fire exception) instead of leaving for a more lucrative private sector job

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        • Posted by MJ on July 30, 2018 at 1:16 pm

          and one more thing El Gaupo, I agree with you that there are “shitty” employees in both the public and private sectors….the difference is that the shitty private workers get fired not rewarded with additional raises and continued employment with no accountability or shifted around to another do nothing made up position.

          And I’m talking about everyday people not the CEOs and Union thugs

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        • Posted by Tough Love on July 30, 2018 at 1:39 pm

          Quoting El gaupo ………………..

          ” Lol. You don’t think that I’ll have the “fortitude” to work in the private sector when I retire? That’s a laugh. I think I’ll be able to handle it just fine. Lol.”

          Lol indeed ……….. It’s a heck of a lot easier arriving in the Private Sector when carrying along a fat (grossly excessive and unfair to taxpayers) pension and retiree healthcare benefits you assuredly won’t get in the new Private sector job.

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          • Posted by El gaupo on July 30, 2018 at 3:29 pm

            Correct. I won’t need them. That is irrelevant as to whether I have the “fortitude” or “work ethic” to work in the private sector. Or the public sector for that matter. Or to think that when I graduated college I had to “settle” for a public sector job because I didn’t have the fortitude to do otherwise. Yet, in the same argument you say that the fact that I beat out hundreds of folks for my job(alternate route, didn’t know a soul) means that we don’t need to keep compensation high. Lol. Double standard again.
            Listen MJ, you don’t think that corporate America is afraid to fire some shitty employees??? They have lawyers in standby the minute a “protected” class is aggrieved. Public or private. The private sector keeps it under wraps better.
            You both lose credibility with me when you make stupid broad generalizations about public sector employees and their work ethic.
            And no accountability? What a laugh. The whole fuckin World is ready to post any mistake I make on you tube for the world to see. You wear a body cam at work? Get real. Read IA procedures on the attorney general website and tell me cops have no accountability. Just cause the mayor can’t fire me for arresting his buddy you think it’s easy?? Try a month in my shoes. You will still be off the opinion that my pension is too high and I get that…however, the whole nonsense about work ethic and light bulb changing will stop. Or at least be done In jest.
            Really TL, what makes you think that I can’t handle working in the private sector? I want to know because I’ll be back in it a few years from now. Lol.
            And btw, you should want all your cops to be like me. You don’t want pushovers enforcing laws and arresting people. You want confident folks who will do the right thing as well as not being afraid to stand up for themselves. You don’t need “yes men” you need assertive officers who do the right thing.

      • Posted by MJ on July 30, 2018 at 1:13 pm

        Meant to say will NOT be leaving their jobs………..

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      • Posted by PS Drone on July 30, 2018 at 10:56 pm

        Can you imagine getting 15 (15!) “sick” days in the private sector? If I had an employee who called in sick 15 days in one year I would fire them. Oh, and how about 14 (14!) “holidays”? They get holidays that do not even exist any longer, like Lincoln’s birthday! Do nothing drones would get fired in short order in any meaningful private sector job.

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        • Posted by El gaupo on July 31, 2018 at 10:03 am

          Yea. Keep up the good fight…

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        • Imagine!

          I am sure there are some jurisdictions who have more sick days than others, but, on average…

          “Paid leave encompasses sick time, vacation days, paid holidays, and personal leave. On average, paid leave is almost precisely the same in the private sector as in state government, with values of 11.11 percent and 11.06 percent of wages respectively. ”

          “Overpaid or Underpaid? A State-by-State Ranking of PublicEmployee
          Compensation” Andrew Biggs, American Enterprise Institute

          According to BLS, workers in large corporations actually receive more paid time off than public workers, on average.

          Maybe, like MJ, you just hang with the wrong public employees. Selection bias.

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  4. Posted by Tough Love on July 29, 2018 at 6:07 pm

    uoting ………………..

    “You can decrease wages and benefits for state employees, and, guess what! Some of them will leave, also. The ones who stay will probably not be the best and the brightest; that’s just not the way it works.”

    As though the Public Sector workers in NJ (or just about everywhere else) are the ………. “best and the brightest”

    The vast majority. want a cushy, easy job, with little to no “accountability”, extremely high “job security” (with little chance of being fired), and few have the motivation to do the best job they are capable of doing (which often isn’t very high to being with).

    Whn it come to Public Sector workers, the term ……..”best and the brightest” …… has been a bad JOKE perpetrated upon Taxpayers for decades.

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    • Gallup…
      “Apathetic Workers in State and Local Government Are Costing Taxpayers Billions”

      “More broadly, employee disengagement across the economy costs the U.S. economy roughly $500 billion a year, which suggests that the problem is just as prevalent — or more so — within the private sector.”

      “… just as prevalent — or more so — within the private sector.”

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      • Posted by Tough Love on July 29, 2018 at 6:58 pm

        The LATTER is a Corporate problem, while the FORMER is a Taxpayer problem.

        Taxpayers should NOT be employing the lazy, the incompetent, or those who can’t seem to get or keep a job in the Private Sector.

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      • Posted by Stephen Douglas on July 29, 2018 at 7:13 pm

        Is there really a distinction between public and private workers?

        The average length of service for retirees is 20 years, which means their other 20 years were in the private sector.

        Fewer than 20 percent are “career” (30 years or more) public workers.

        The average tenure for public workers is about eight years. Only slightly higher than the tenure for large employers. They move back and forth between sectors constantly.

        Which is why Moderation likes to say…

        “We have met the enemy and he is us” 
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        And now, of course Moderation also says…

        “Hubris, thy name is Tough Love.

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        • Posted by Tough Love on July 29, 2018 at 9:29 pm

          Quoting …………….

          “Is there really a distinction between public and private workers?

          The average length of service for retirees is 20 years, which means their other 20 years were in the private sector.”

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          I have no idea if that is correct, but what I do know is that the retirement security accumulated by a Private Sector workers over 20 years is rarely more than 1/4 to 1/3 that of a COMPARABLE Public Sector worker (thanks to their ludicrously excessive pensions & benefits)……….. and unlike Public Sector retirees, RARELY do Private Sector retirees get ANY company-provided retiree healthcare subsidy.

          And can the BS about “Total Compensation”. When ALL Public Sector workers are taken together as one group (the measure that financial impacts Taxpayers), any Public/Private Sector “wage” differential doesn’t come even remotely close to offsetting the HUGE Public Sector pension & benefit ADVANTAGE.

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    • Posted by El gaupo on July 29, 2018 at 8:19 pm

      Jealous much TL? Do u consider yourself he best and brightest? You’re on here every fuckin day of your life. You can’t be that important. Lol. So full of yourself.

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      • Posted by Tough Love on July 29, 2018 at 9:34 pm

        Speaking of EARN my pay & benefits.

        In what reality are YOU worth $125/hr ($1,000/day) to sit mostly on your phone* at a construction worksite on a lightly traveled suburban road ?

        * And when not, often DISTRACTING the hard-working Utility workers who actually EARN their pay.

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      • Posted by MJ on July 30, 2018 at 1:26 pm

        El Gaupo, you do realize that just because TL, myself and others are on here expressing our opinions, musing on the when and how of the reforms and at times venting frustration over the corrupt system doesn’t mean we are jealous.
        That’s what a blog is for……..John posts a topic or article and others are free to respond with their thoughts and opinions, It doesn’t mean anyone is jealous of anyone else and it doesn’t mean anyone in more right or wrong than anyone else.

        and BTW you seem to be on here quite frequently yourself…….and it is rude to talk about your salary as that is nobody’s business but your own!……and the cursing um I really thought you were better than all that!

        Peacefulness and mindfulness my brother…….

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        • Posted by El gaupo on July 30, 2018 at 3:36 pm

          Like you MJ, I’m from jersey. We are both used to salty language. In fact, I can NEVER get away with talking like that at work!!!! Or on social media etc. so you get a splash of it here from time to time and to be honest, I think all you appreciate the candor and honesty in my posts.
          and I’m sure you’d be a tad peeved if I knew what you did for a living and opined that they had terrible work ethics and lacked fortitude to become a police officer. As far as my salary?? Are you kidding?? Cops salaries and benifits are talked about in newspapers, blogs, etc as a group more than any other. I wish my salary was nobody’s business and I never bring it up(especially the pension end of it). But my benifits are the one that everyone on here rants and raves about.

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          • Posted by El gaupo on July 30, 2018 at 3:46 pm

            And to be honest on both sides the anonymity facilitates that. I would never speak to you in real life like that. And you probably wouldn’t tell me to my face that you think I have a poor work ethic. We have to much respect for each other to do that.

    • Posted by MJ on July 30, 2018 at 6:49 am

      TL….I basically just posted the same thing you said before I even read it:)

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    • Posted by PS Drone on July 30, 2018 at 11:00 pm

      You could fire half of them tomorrow and the only ones to notice would be the politicians who would be losing some of their power base.

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      • Posted by El gaupo on July 31, 2018 at 10:09 am

        Yeah, I’m on board. You’ve made me come around. I will quit…return my pension contributions, and try to make it in your world. But but but….I need 15 sick days and Lincoln’s bday. What will I do?????? I know. Like Stanley suggests I’ll do it for nuthin….both jobs. Police and the “private sector”.
        Oh no!!!! I’m just so scared to work in the private sector!!!! How will I cope??? I’m to stupid and lazy to do anything else. So is everyone I work with. I know. I’ll just tuck into the fetal position and fall on the floor crying. While the private sector heros of the world screams at me “see, I told you so”.
        Ummmm, nah. I’ll finish my career. Get my pension and bennies as planned and then join you in the private sector with a big smile on my face. That’s seems to be a better idea. After all, I gotta look out for el guapo!!!!

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        • Posted by Tough Love on July 31, 2018 at 12:34 pm

          Quoting ………………

          ” I’ll finish my career. Get my pension and bennies as planned “.

          I’d guess that there is a 75% probability that your retiree healthcare benefits will be materially reduced (or via introduction-of/increased premiums) and a 25% to 50% probability you won’t get the pension benefits that you are expecting.

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          • Posted by El gaupo on July 31, 2018 at 3:57 pm

            Not so fast TL. As I’ve aaid before, this bedroom community only has currently about 15 or so people on medical post retirement. No one else will have it in town except 2 or 3 Dpw guys that had over 25 years in 2014 and 18 current police officers. And of course not all at the same time. This will certainly not be a huge issue for the town on a go forward basis. I can see a plan change to a Gold from platinum etc. but for now here is one great plan and one horrible one. And Pfrs will last longer than you think. I have not seen any studies/charts etc that show Pfrs going belly up before 2055 or so. First to go is nj pers. state and local. They won’t mess with TPAF yet. They can’t afford to have teachers up and quit 10 years in. Folks are no longer lining up for these jobs like they did when I started. They need to keep a pension around for teachers and cops or guys/gals will leave. Proven to happen in other states as we have seen this spring.

  5. skip3house on July 29, 2018 at 1:19 pm

    ” ‘or’ just cut pensions being paid now/future by 40-60% (has been said), lower pension $$-less cut, higher more % cut. Raise ages of retirement….”
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    lower pension $$-less cut,

    higher more % cut

    I think we have already discussed that particular approach, and it’s not really logical or “fair”, but, the main point is, we are now seriously discussing actual reductions in pensions, not just for current or future workers, but for some of today’s current retirees. Just like some of the pension cuts for multi-employer plans. With funding levels at thirty-some percent, under the most optimistic assumptions, it has to happen.

    We have some precedents for cuts under the MEPs, with, as you said, smaller cuts for smaller pensions, and exemptions from the cuts for those over a certain age. Maybe someone could look at examples of how some of the union cuts spread the pain. It might be a guide for cuts to New Jersey current retirees, which seem almost inevitable.

    And New Jersey, heaven forbid, might then be a prototype for cuts in Illinois, Kentucky, etc.
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    Unless…

    ” There seems to be a high likelihood that future generations will have to bear the substantial burden of making up pension benefits for previous generations of state employees. While citizens of states that are particularly hard-hit by the pension crisis may be able to escape to other states, an acceleration of this demographic phenomenon would leave a dwindling taxpayer base behind in the states facing the largest liabilities. This would increase the likelihood of a federal taxpayer bailout in which taxpayers in all states would bear the burden of the states in default. The problem of state and local pension liabilities is therefore a problem for all US taxpayers, not just those in the states with the largest deficits.”

    Joshua Rauh,

    (I think he is implying bailouts.)
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    Or…

    ” it should be an obligation of the employers who contracted for these benefits with the Unions.”

    Tough Love

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    • Posted by Tough Love on July 29, 2018 at 7:02 pm

      As to you quoting me, why not include a quote from my follow-up (pasted below) ……
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      What you (and Stepohen Douglas/EARTH) choose to IGNORE is that ….in PRIVATE Sector negotiations for compensation (including pensions, if offered) BOTH sides at the negotiating table are looking out for THEIR best interests.

      In PRIVATE Sector negotiations the “employer/payor” is the company (of Companies in MEP arrangements) and they are indeed looking out for THEIR best interests in such negotiations.

      In PUBLIC Sector compensation negotiations (including pensions) the “employer/payor” is the Taxpayers, and absolutely NOBODY at the “negotiating table” is looking out for THEIR best interests. And that BS about our Elected Officials (or the representatives) are doing so rings hollow, as we BOTH know that their favorable votes on Public Sector pay, pensions, and benefits have been BOUGHT with Public Sector Union BRIBES disguised as campaign contributions and election support.

      There is way more than sufficient justification for Taxpayers to renege on the 50+% of Public Sector pension/benefit “promises” that assuredly would NOT have been granted in the absence of that Union/Elected-Official COLLUSION

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      • Posted by Stephen Douglas on July 29, 2018 at 7:34 pm

        Stepohen Douglas IGNOREs about half of what you say… The man behind the curtain. Nothing but rants and tirades.

        Regardless of your opinion, our representatives do represent the Taxpayer. There is only so much revenue to go around, and everyone has his hand out. There have been concessions in pay and benefits for NJ workers in the last ten years, as there have been in other states, and there will be more. Not enough for you? Tough! You are not the final arbiter, thank heaven.

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        • Posted by Tough Love on July 29, 2018 at 9:41 pm

          Quoting ………… “Regardless of your opinion, our representatives do represent the Taxpayer”

          Horse-manure, They happily take Public Sector Unions BRIBES disguised as campaign contributions and then vote for whatever the Unions tell them to.
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          And no ……….. not enough for me ………… not by a LONG shot.

          It will be “enough” when Public Sector Total Compensation” in NJ for ALL workers taken together is no greater than that of their Private Sector counterparts.

          And with a (per the AEI Study) 23%-of-pay (33% with the MUCH greater Public Sector job security factored in) Total Compensation ADVANTAGE in NJ, they’ve got a VERY VERY VERY long downward way to go.

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        • “If you can’t take their money, drink their booze, eat their food, screw their women and vote against them, you don’t belong here.”

          Jesse “Big Daddy” Unruh

          I doubt the NJ politicians have any more trouble taking money than CA politicians do, and then voting their own way.

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    • Posted by Tough Love on July 29, 2018 at 7:06 pm

      And as to your quoting Mr. Rauh, Yes, we Taxpayers may (in many cases) be stuck paying the ludicrously excessive promises made to previous generations of Public Sector workers …………… but we (America’s Taxpayers) should resist doing so by any and every means at out disposal, at least until we END the granting of future service accruals (to all CURRENT workers) on the same ludicrously excessive basis in place today.

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  6. Posted by Tom on July 29, 2018 at 7:03 pm

    If the politicians did not misuse our pension funds there would not be a problem. The politicians called it borrowing our pension money. Money that the public sector employees paid to the pension system. Its like you borrow money for a mortgage and only payback a dollar for every months mortgage payment. Sooner or later your mortgage will baloon and your monthly payment become unsustainable.

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    • Posted by Tough Love on July 29, 2018 at 7:09 pm

      Nobody “borrowed” money from Public Sector pension funds. You you find a more honest source than the outright BS that come from Pubic Sector Unions.

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    • Posted by Stephen Douglas on July 29, 2018 at 7:57 pm

      Whether you like it or not, the benefits were approved by the legislature, and signed by the governor, but the funds were never appropriated. Call that theft or borrowing, it is the reason for (most) of the unfunded liability. Your Supreme Court says the funds are not required to be contributed… But the pensions are required to be paid. Good luck with that.

      I think you may actually get at least some of the reductions you want for future and current workers, and maybe even for current retirees (it’s the math.)

      I think it may be a Pyrrhic victory. For the sake of NJ taxpayers, and it’s taxpaying state employees, I hope you can find a way to equitably share the burden.

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      • Posted by El gaupo on July 29, 2018 at 8:35 pm

        TL is a fraud. She is on here 365 days a year. She makes a profit fucking people over in the insurance industry. She has the balls(or lack thereof) or should I say “or lack thereof” to criticize folks she doesn’t even know. Like the cops/fireman every day who do a great job, quick to criticize though. Or how about the social worker for child protective services, that does a job that no one else wants to do but still catches flak for a shitty salary.
        she honestly confuses the politicians and perhaps their political appointees with the hard working men and women that serve their communities with distinction. Overall, she sounds like a very unhappy individual all around. She is a one trick pony and thankfully does not have a platform aside from keyboard.

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        • Posted by Tough Love on July 29, 2018 at 9:46 pm

          Who works harder at those construction sites, YOU or the Road/Utility workers?

          And they likely “earn” 1/4 to 1/3 of what YOU are being paid to mostly do absolutely NOTHING.

          Now THAT is ……… “funking people over” !

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          • Posted by El gaupo on July 30, 2018 at 11:03 am

            Evidently they work harder than you do posting on here ad nauseum. Haha. And I’m sure you make more than they do sitting on your ass. And you’d be surprised. Pseg salaries are damn good. The non union boys not so much. Go figure.

          • Posted by Tough Love on July 30, 2018 at 6:40 pm

            It’s not “them”. THEY are indeed working hard ………. while YOU do next to nothing for 3 to 4 TIMES what THEY are being paid.

            It’s totally off-the-wall, and it’s makes no difference if you’re paid via our real estate taxes or via inflated utility bills.

  7. Posted by Stanley on July 30, 2018 at 1:29 am

    Thanks TL for keeping up the fight. There will be a wailing and gnashing of teeth when the adjustments come.

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    • Posted by El gaupo on July 30, 2018 at 11:02 am

      Lol. Keeping up the fight?? You mean on the keyboard for the last decade?? Daily!!!! A least we only see folks like you and me once in a while. She never takes a break. Mental illness. You wanna be her bitch, feel free. Haha. Not me.

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      • Posted by El gaupo on July 30, 2018 at 11:07 am

        And by the way….I’m the only one on here that you know what I make.
        No one else shares that info….why?
        Cause if you make more I’ll call u out on it? I don’t get it. Or if you make less I’ll call u a whiner? I don’t give a shit what you make a year. Live and let live. I care about my family and providing them. An honest man would have no other concern!!!!

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        • Posted by MJ on July 30, 2018 at 5:55 pm

          El Gaupo, we all want to provide for our families but that is getting harder and harder to do as the public sector keeps sucking more and more from our paychecks, sinking home values, struggling local economies, ever increasing real estate taxes, income taxes, business taxes, fees, etc

          I do okay and if truth be told I can well afford to live here but I care about my neighbors, employees, family, younger workers, future of my home base and others who find it more and more difficult to make ends meet. The old whine that “we were promised” from the publics is getting old and people are starting to catch on to how they have been hoodwinked in regard to these over the top salaries, benefits and perks….not to mention retiring at 58 or sooner, reimbursed Medicare, excessive sick day pay outs of hundred of thousands of dollars, double and triple dippers……………maybe it all worked 50 years ago but not anymore

          And that’s not to say that you don’t work hard or that you settled for a job as a cop but the current system is not sustainable and I think it is time to bring this all to a more reasonable level and a more equitable distribution of resources.

          And after all, you and your brothers should really be serving and protecting those of us working hard and paying all of those taxes to keep you in these generous salaries and benefits, don’t ya think??

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          • Posted by El gaupo on July 30, 2018 at 7:39 pm

            I also care about my community. Heck,(trying to calm down the language) I coached my kids teams for 11 years. And if you asked the majority of residents in the town where I work that know me, they will generally say I work hard. Of course most would like to see their taxes go down. I’d also like to get free groceries for a year.
            And as much as you care about all those things you wouldn’t take a pay cut at work. I’m sure you wouldn’t give your neighbor a few grand to pay his taxes just because.
            Most if not all cops aren’t double and triple dippers. Most don’t get six figure sick payouts. Etc.
            The issue I had and still have is this blanket mentality that public sector workers lack work ethic or skills or fortitude. But yet you all think I have a great deal. So, must’ve done something right. MJ—-it’ll sound like I’m tooting my own horn, but I always try to do the best I can…not always perfect, but my heart is always in the right place.
            Just not so much when it comes to voluntarily taking cuts to my compensation.
            You would insulted if I criticized your work ethic. Funny, on July 4th I did cpr on Grandma at a family bbq. Not one of them criticized by fortitude as I tried in vain to save her life in front of the whole family. In fact, didn’t hear much about my pension either. We are like lawyers. Jerks and morons until the time comes when you actually need us when it counts.

      • Posted by Tough Love on July 30, 2018 at 2:10 pm

        Certainly seems like hearing the TRUTH (from me, that your overpaid, and ludicrously over -pensioned and over-benefitted) is pissing you off.

        Only falsehoods would justify that, NOT the TRUTH.

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        • Posted by El gaupo on July 30, 2018 at 3:43 pm

          Wrong. We can agree to disagree on that. And I’ll even concede that it is a good deal. But it what I signed up for. If I got paid crap, you’d say “well, ya knew going in”
          What makes me shake my head is the ignorant generalizations of public sector workers as lacking fortitude or work ethic. Again, all entitled to your opinion and that may be what you have experienced. But as must of you have attested to, the only interaction with police you have is a rare motor vehicle infraction.

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          • Posted by MJ on July 30, 2018 at 6:02 pm

            I said the ones that I know…….lack the fortitude, work ethic and/or skill levels to make it in the private sector but upon thinking about it is probably because they have been in the public sector for so long in dead end jobs that there is just a dulling acceptance of their situation….IDK so before El Gaupo starts dropping the F bomb this IMO

          • Posted by Tough Love on July 30, 2018 at 7:38 pm

            Please clarify ……….

            So you think YOUR pension ………… 4 TIMES greater in value than that typically granted Private Sector workers (among the the FEW lucky ones who are still earning accruals in a Final Average Salary DB Plan such as yours) who retire at the SAME age, with the SAME wages, and the SAME years of service …….. is JUST a “good deal”, NOT off-the-wall OUTRAGEOUS ? And who in the Private Sector gets employer-sponsored retiree healthcare today ?

            —————-

            P.S. I’ve never stated that you don’t do whatever it is that is expected of Police in bedroom communities like the one in which you are employed, only that you are modestly overpaid, but ludicrously over-pensioned and over-benefited.

          • Posted by El gaupo on July 30, 2018 at 7:57 pm

            It is a good deal. When cops start living in multimillion dollar mansions upon retirement then I’ll say it outrageous and ludicrous. Those words are over the top. Most cops have a decent retirement. Not Uber rich.
            Should’ve joined me in the police academy TL. Then you most assuredly would see things the way that I do. 😛

          • Posted by Tough Love on July 30, 2018 at 9:29 pm

            El gaupo,

            Since you refuse to STATE IT, I’ll do so for you…………

            Your pension & benefits are WAY WAY WAY more than a “good deal”.

            They are off-the-wall outrageous and ludicrous. And those words aren’t “over the top”. They are dead on the money, and your retirement isn’t just “decent”, it’s an outrageous financial rape of your town’s Taxpayers.

          • Posted by El gaupo on July 30, 2018 at 11:36 pm

            I may give you one WAY or maybe even two of them. But three WAYS!!! I just can’t give ya that much.

      • Posted by Stanley on July 31, 2018 at 4:51 pm

        The Gaupo Uno: “Lol. Keeping up the fight?? You mean on the keyboard for the last decade??”

        What is wrong with using the keyboard? It is the most effective means to reach audiences far and wide about a critically important subject. No one can say exactly how the difficulty will be shared and how the economy will be impacted, but it is a pretty fair bet that there will be serious economic inconvenience for a large part of the next half generation or so. Knowledgeable people can adjust their organization and spending patterns to minimize impact on their lives. Anyone acting to alert the public of the coming difficulty is doing a very important community service–giving a little something back so to speak. It would behoove you and Steve to listen up and take notes. And maybe say thank you after the msg has penetrated–if it ever does.

        Anyone who favors meaningful reform in this huge mess appreciates the work TL is doing. Thanks again, TL.

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        • Posted by Tough Love on July 31, 2018 at 5:08 pm

          Hey, thanks.

          And thanks Stephen Douglas/Earth for the the MANY opportunities to respond to you bias, your disinformation, your gross attempts to re-direct the reader’s attentions, your omissions of material facts, your twisting a actual facts, and your blatant lies.

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          • Posted by El gaupo on July 31, 2018 at 10:54 pm

            Hey TL. What about me? No thanks for me?😒😢

          • Posted by Tough Love on August 1, 2018 at 8:10 am

            El gaupo,

            You’re not in the same category as SD/Earth, he being hell-bent on using any and all means to prevent/delay the material reductions in Public sector pensions & benefits that are undeniably needed (just about everywhere).

            I believe you understand just how absurdly generous your pay, pension & benefits are, but just can’t get yourself to admit it, and certainly don’t want to participate in givebacks. I’d likely do the same if in your shoes, but avoid the discussions completely ………….. noting how you are getting progressively getting more pissed as you keep hearing about the JUSTIFIABLE & immediate need for VERY material reforms.

          • Posted by Stephen Douglas on August 1, 2018 at 10:38 pm

            If by “any and all means”, you mean “Truth, Justice, and the American Way”, then guilty as charged!

            “Moderation” It’s not just a name, it’s a way of life.

          • Posted by Tough Love on August 2, 2018 at 8:25 am

            No Stephen Douglas/Earth, I meant exactly what I stated above (and pasted below …… correcting my spelling/grammar):

            “And thanks Stephen Douglas/Earth for the MANY opportunities to respond to your bias, your disinformation, your gross attempts to re-direct the reader’s attention, your omission of material facts, your twisting of actual facts, and your blatant lies.”

  8. Posted by geo8rge on July 30, 2018 at 2:46 pm

    Why can’t Varney leave the state of NJ? I don’t understand how NJ tax law is being used to keep people from leaving? Does he mean sale of Real Estate?

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  9. Posted by NJ2AZ on July 30, 2018 at 5:41 pm

    whatever the final resolution ends up being, i have no expectation it will come to pass until the funds themselves are depleted and pension checks have to be cut from general revenues.

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    • Posted by Tough Love on July 30, 2018 at 7:40 pm

      I tend to agree ……. and the NOT pay the pensions/benefits.

      Such insatiable greed (and arrogance to NJ’s Taxpayers) MUST have consequences.

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      • Posted by El gaupo on July 30, 2018 at 9:03 pm

        My wife does say that my arrogance is probably not one of my finer qualities. Lol. But TL and MJ, while you may not have said that me personally did not do I good job. You both stated and have in the past that for he most part you feel that public employees lack work ethic, fortitude, smarts, etc. of which I am obviously a member. Just like I have to take responsibility at parties and such for every jackass cop who screws up.
        Guys, I honestly don’t owe you anything but the best effort I can give while I’m working and to never tarnish my badge. Other than that my compensation is governed by a collective bargaining agreement or in the pension situation, state law.

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        • Posted by PS Drone on July 30, 2018 at 11:12 pm

          El Gaupo. I for one am not, and would not ,question your work ethic, conscientiousness or service to your community. It is just that without the union/politician cabal (Albio Sires anybody?) and with real taxpayer involvement you would not be making anything close to what you make and your “pension” (aka manna from heaven) would be about half or less than what you envision.

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    • Posted by geo8rge on July 31, 2018 at 12:21 pm

      “pension checks have to be cut from general revenues.” All tax increases have gone into pension payments. So the transition to pay as you go has started.

      ” funds themselves are depleted ” Currently $78B as valued by DoI 5/31. I think $70B is a psychological line they do not want to cross.

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  10. Earth to New Jersey:

    There, now wasn’t that cathartic?

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  11. Posted by Anonymous on August 10, 2018 at 4:18 pm

    Ah but P&FRS beats to their own local property tax drum, guess NJ’s brighest & brilliant forgot about that little problem. And what about SPRS & JRS, gotta love those exceptions to the rule. Wonder if they’ll continue with plantinum health care coverage too?

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