You May STFU

It is a thing we have here in New Jersey that if you get pulled over and the cops find that your vehicle registration is not updated then your car gets impounded. A friend went through this last year and I had to drive him to DMV to get his car registered, to the Roselle Park municipal building to pay a fine, and to the impound lot to get his car. Quite a hassle but, as the cop explained to my friend, they are required to do it – one of the ‘values’ of living here (not having to drive with people in unregistered vehicles) though I suspect the revenue stream governments get from this crackdown also plays a part.

Another thing we have here in New Jersey – the entitled:


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Major story here but not out the ordinary in my experience:
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Then there are my experiences with bureaucrats and political operatives. All because they backed the right horse and were rewarded with government jobs, for which they are often unqualified, they feel entitled to lord it over others. This happens here every day and everywhere…..almost always outside of camera range.

Longest video of incident I could find:
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Just the ‘good’ parts:
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Caren Z.Turner, the anti-bully. in happier times:

44 responses to this post.

  1. Posted by NJ2AZ on April 25, 2018 at 3:41 pm

    My experience with LEOs has been almost entirely with traffic stops (of which i admit i’ve probably deserved all but one in almost 20 years of driving). That 20 years has been split almost evenly between NJ and AZ.

    The cops in NJ were to a man the brutish meathead “I AM THE LAW” types

    The cops here in AZ have all been courteous public servants

    make of that what you will.

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    • Posted by Tough Love on April 25, 2018 at 6:16 pm

      Sounds like you never ran into Arizona sheriff Joe Arpaio, the guy violated the terms of a court order in a racial-profiling case and was pardoned by off-the-wall Pres. Trump.

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      • Posted by Stanley on April 25, 2018 at 7:22 pm

        “Sounds like you never ran into Arizona sheriff Joe Arpaio,…”TL, sometimes you are as astonishing as Alexander and Douglas. Honest to God! Unless my eyes deceived me, you voted for Trump. OK, so how can you object to his performance as president? Did he pull the wool over your eyes? Don’t tell me, you thought he was going to turn into a good little Christian Boy Scout, or read the NYT and get straightened out on his views. Why would anyone run into Arpaio? We have reasonable speed limits in AZ and if a person uses their cruise control and drives at a reasonable speed, they won’t be pulled over. I asked a Mexican contractor what he thought of Arpaio and he answered, “I’ll say one thing about him, he got the drunk drivers off the road.”
        Apparently, you object to Arpaio helping out with border enforcement, or you might argue that court orders have to be obeyed. There are some courts that are consistently overturned and a police department enforcing the law of the land is hardly contentious unless you think that turning the SW into another Latin America is a good idea. Please read Victor D Hanson http://victorhanson.com/wordpress/understanding-the-california-mind/#more-11011 Someone made the point that after CA is taken over by illegals, they will move on to OR, WA and/or British Columbia.
        If a problem is only a problem if it interferes with your well being, I guess the rest of us are just SOOL.
        OK, back to over promised pensions.

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        • Posted by Tough Love on April 25, 2018 at 7:54 pm

          Take some Xanex

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        • Posted by Tough Love on April 25, 2018 at 8:05 pm

          Quoting ……….

          ” Honest to God! Unless my eyes deceived me, you voted for Trump. OK, so how can you object to his performance as president? ”

          Yes, I voted for Trump, but ONLY because I’m fed-up with the non-stop tax & spend antics of the Democrats.

          I knew Trump was dishonest and had an oversized ego when I voted for him, but little did I know what an A-HOLE and DANGER/embarrassment to this country that he would turn out to be. Seems like that gives me the right to “object to his performance”.

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          • Posted by Stanley on April 25, 2018 at 8:42 pm

            I don’t know xanex. OK, so your against non stop tax and spend democrats, great! Do you think that the new arrivals from south of the border are going to come cheaply? I suppose that you think that they are going to vote Republican if/when they vote? Obummer did all that he could to fold the USA into a one world socialist state. Shipped $4B in plain old cash to the terrorists of Iran and Trump is the DANGER?
            So no, I would say that it gives you the right to work on upgrading your sense of perception and ability to evaluate character. On the other left coast, I’m sure you have many to agree with–even constable whats his name. Gaucho Uno.

          • Posted by Tough Love on April 25, 2018 at 9:36 pm

            Why would you think I support illegal immigration?

            I don’t.
            —————-

            And WOW ………….. President has ZERO positive “character”.

            I find it amusing that Trump doesn’t think that his lawyer Michael Cohen will “flip”. If he has done anything wrong (as he claims), why is he even discussing this, there being nothing to “flip” about?

            I’m even MORE concerned about what he might do if the Senate and/or House goes Democratic in the midterms. He will be stymied at every turn, and given his dictatorial mindset, he’s going to get madder and madder, and madder.

          • Posted by Stanley on April 25, 2018 at 10:05 pm

            “Why would you think I support illegal immigration?”
            Arpaio’s troubles began when he continued to arrest illegals against the wishes of the Justice Dept and Obummer admin.
            Trump isn’t known for his great character. BUT, he did the impossible. With no prior government experience, he WON the presidency. Against 16 rivals in the party, against a candidate that everyone important supported and who had three times as much money. With no charisma, no consistent ideas about government, he won. And IMO, he has been better as president than the past four predecessors. He is trying to rebuild the military. He is trying to rein in the EPA. That makes him a huge success IMO. The EPA is a gang of commissars on the loose.
            I don’t follow closely the Mueller effort to overturn the election. At this time, I would have to say that it is less than 50 50 that he is impeached.
            This dictatorial mindset? He is the president. The president has too much power, far too much, but he is still the one who makes the decisions, not his assistant managers. Obummer specialized in his “executive decisions” which turned out to be great because Trump could easily repeal most of it with his own executive decisions. And you say that he will be stymied. But you are forgetting that many among the public support much of what he doing. Moreover, I am not so sure that this constant drum beat to remove him from office will be an advantage to the democrats. The worst that would happen would be for Trump to realize that he has few allies among Republicans and throw in with democrats. We survived eight years of Obummer, so we can handle most anything. Those pension checks if they are actually delivered may not buy much.

          • Posted by Tough Love on April 25, 2018 at 10:37 pm

            Quoting Stanley ………….

            “”BUT, he did the impossible. With no prior government experience, he WON the presidency. Against 16 rivals in the party, against a candidate that everyone important supported and who had three times as much money. ”

            Oh please, Trump convinced a bunch of Midwestern nit-wits that he was going to bring manufacturing jobs back to the USA.

            When Pigs Fly, Even if new factories are built, robots, not humans will be working the assembly line. How many of these Midwestern bumpkins can program high-tech robots ?

            He simply hoodwinked them ….. and knew exactly what he was doing.
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            “rein in the EPA” ?

            No, destroy it and ignore all science. Sure, “Climate Change” isn’t happening ???????

      • Posted by NJ2AZ on April 25, 2018 at 8:58 pm

        I hear MCSO deputies are a special sort, but i avoid unincorporated areas for the most part so i don’t interact with them. The Phoenix PD and DPS (highway patrol) guys whose radar i’ve landed on (literally) have all been exemplary.

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  2. Posted by dentssdunnigan on April 25, 2018 at 5:33 pm

    She suffers from a extreme case of white privileged …

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    • Posted by geo8rge on April 25, 2018 at 7:50 pm

      Why was it necessary to impound her car? Let’s see all the BS she is being put through.

      1) I am able to renew my registration online. She probably had a cellphone with her, she could have done it on the spot paying the $45 with a credit card. I guess she should get hit with a late fee and maybe a ticket.

      2) Why does the state have a monopoly on vehicle inspections? Her vehicle looks new to me, I would not be surprised if she is taking it to the dealer for maintenance. Why does she need to bring it to the DMV for an inspection? BTW, the last time I brought my vehicle for inspection they didn’t seem to inspect very much. Mostly they put an electric dongle under my dashboard and read out the data into their computer. The dongle, an OBD2 scanner, costs about $10 on ebay. So what’s the point of the inspection?

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      • Posted by Tough Love on April 25, 2018 at 7:57 pm

        Your #1 has never been an option in NJ.
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        Quoting ……… “Why does the state have a monopoly on vehicle inspections? ”

        It doesn’t.
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        In NJ, the inspection ONLY involves emissions.

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        • Posted by geo8rge on April 26, 2018 at 4:40 am

          Why does the DMV have a monopoly over emissions testing? The DMV did not check my emissions, they put a dongle in my car and my car checked its own emissions. That could have been done by any local garage or auto parts store. BTW, who is making sure cars brakes are working? None of this makes much sense.

          But back to the original post, why are they impounding cars over small amounts of money and a superficial emissions test?

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          • Posted by geo8rge on April 26, 2018 at 9:51 am

            Are DMV inspections like the NJT fiasco (scandal?). To bump up the pension payments Christie seems to have shifted huge amounts of money from NJT maintenance to pensions, perhaps figuring any problems would not surface for a few years. Trains immediately crashed and I think there was at least one fatality. Now motor vehicle inspections in NJ consist of a cursory emissions test. They got away with it I think because of a boom in new car loans and sales. If the economy goes into recession nobody will be double checking that people’s cars are safe.

            I guess it is possible that a failed emissions test indicates a poorly maintained vehicle in most cases, so the same cars that fail emissions are also the ones with other problems. Good luck with that reasoning. But again what’s the point of the state maintaining any inspections at all?

  3. Posted by Tough Love on April 25, 2018 at 6:11 pm

    Looks like that video was from the Police dashcam. She likely didn’t know her obnoxious behavior was being videotaped.

    Well welcome to 2018. Now EVERYONE knows that she’s an asshole.

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    • Posted by Tough Love on April 25, 2018 at 6:19 pm

      And the posting of that online for everyone to see is a good start in making her pay for such obnoxious behavior.

      I bet she’ll be passing up party invitations for a while.

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      • She resigned from her UNPAID post.

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        • Posted by Tough Love on April 25, 2018 at 6:48 pm

          Yeah, While a PA ethics investigation was about to toss her out.

          Wikipedia ……… In April 2018, she resigned from the Board of Commissioners after an ethics investigation revealed what the Port Authority called “profoundly disturbing” conduct.

          “Commissioner Turner’s resignation was appropriate given her outrageous conduct,” said the Port Authority spokesman.

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          • Posted by El gaupo on April 25, 2018 at 9:49 pm

            TL, thank you!!!! I really mean that. As I’ve said these types of folks are a dime a dozen in pOlitics. Never would’ve spoken like that if she thought it was taped or that it would leak.
            The vehicle in question was an out of state car. Also, even in NJ you need a pin# to register your car online. It is on the mailer that MVC mails to you. She probably would not have had that even if it was a NJ car. Either way the car was not hers and of no concern to her. I’m sure if the lady had asked nicely she may have gotten farther with the officer. When you need to say “do you know who I am?” That usually means your not as important as you thought. On a side note, TL even John likes to take a breather from the pension debate. :).
            Thanks and have a great night.

          • Posted by Tough Love on April 25, 2018 at 9:57 pm

            Quoting El gaupo …………. ” I’m sure if the lady had asked nicely she may have gotten farther with the officer. ”

            I agree. Something like………….

            Hey, please cut me a little slack, you know I’ve always got you backs”

            Would have gine a long way.

    • Posted by geo8rge on April 26, 2018 at 2:57 pm

      Why is her behavior obnoxious? They are taking her car because while she paid her insurance and likely brought her car to a garage regularly she neglected to pay $45 for a piece of paper called a registration* and did not show up at the DMV to have them read some emissions data from her car’s computer.

      Policy suggestion: Garages and insurance companies and anyone else who wants to should include registration with their services. Garages should provide a full basic inspection (what the DMV did before the pension crisis) and apply a new inspection sticker. When you purchase insurance the agent will check if you are registered and register you. Alternatively, allow any garage or auto parts place to do the emissions data download and apply an updated sticker.

      * The registrations used to have a plastic lamination, now they are just photocopied onto the letter.

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  4. Posted by readslikeamafiabook on April 25, 2018 at 7:25 pm

    An oldie but a goodie (copied from the Union County Watchers blog):

    It has been over a month since it was widely reported that New Jersey’s motor vehicle agency has launched a probe into how Union County Freeholder Angel Estrada, who is the manager of the Elizabeth office, helped former Attorney General Zulima Farber’s boyfriend update his delinquent driving status.

    The Union County Watchdog Association has learned that a MVC employee who committed a very similar act as Freeholder Estrada’s was forced to resign and was indicted for helping a fellow employee renew a driver’s license in 2005.
    Sharon A. Harrington, the head of the Motor Vehicle Commission, said regarding Estrada’s investigation that the agency would take action against employees if the investigation finds any wrongdoing. The agency “is working expeditiously to complete this investigation,” Harrington said in a prepared statement. “At the end of this process, MVC will take action, if warranted.”

    According to an inside source at the MVC, who is surprised that Estrada is still reporting for work and is concerned that this is a sign that his political ties are going to put him above the law, a recent incident involving an MVC employee committing a similar offense involved Grace Hoogliviet and Tracey Scott.

    Allegedly Hoogliviet was an investigator with the Security and Investigation Unit, Scott was a secretary in the same unit. Scott was unable to renew her drivers license as she did not have a certified copy of her birth certificate. Hoogliviet escorted her to the Trenton Agency and approved the transaction. The matter was reported, and resulted in both employees being terminated. Documents obtained through the Open Public Records Act show that both employees resigned this past May. (You can view these documents by clicking here.) Hoogliviet was also indicted and charged with conspiracy, tampering with public records and false records entry in 2005. Ultimately a deal was agreed to, and both employees were allowed to resign, with the agreement that they could never accept state employment.

    A check of court records backed up the sources claim that Hoogliviet had been indicted. View indictment document by clicking here.
    According to a clerk at the Mercer County court criminal records division there was no conviction. He said there had been a pre-trial intervention, and that if Ms. Hoogvliet completes the program, the charges will be dismissed.

    A probe into Farber’s actions that day showed that after being allowed to Angel Estrada personally took charge of the matter and renewed Goore’s expired car registration before he even arrived at the MVC office to sign official forms and pay a $137 registration fee.

    Motor vehicle agencies require that proper Identification such as a driver’s license be submitted to renew a registration. If the owner of the vehicle is not present for the transaction, they must submit a power of attorney; this documentation is kept on file with the transaction.

    “Mr. Estrada’s handling of this matter before Hamlet Goore arrived at the MVC agency raises questions about the propriety of his practices and whether they were in compliance with MVC procedures,” prosecutor Williams wrote in his report.
    Farber was forced to resign because of her actions that day. Her boyfriend Goore also resigned as director of the Department of Community Development in Irvington. “He’s on vacation and won’t be returning,” Irvington Mayor Wayne Smith said, declining to state the reason why Goore was leaving the $81,000-a-year post.

    There are other allegations of Estrada being on a MVC tape helping Gore take a test for a motor cycle license. Freeholder Daniel Sullivan is also Estrada’s boss at the MVC, there is no word on what his involvement was in all of this, if any. I doubt we’ll ever here the entire story of what transpired between the three friends that fateful day. But if Angel Estrada doesn’t join his friends on the unemployment line and face criminal charges as Grace Hoogliviet did, the public deserves to know exactly why not.

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  5. Posted by Stephen Douglas on April 25, 2018 at 8:14 pm

    I’ve said it before, you couldn’t pay me enough to be a cop. Not even in Bergen County.

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    • Posted by Tough Love on April 25, 2018 at 9:41 pm

      Any newly hired NJ Police Officer expecting to retire with a DB pension in the amount and at the age now-promised, is a fool.

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      • Posted by El gaupo on April 25, 2018 at 9:56 pm

        I predict the amount will be the same. The age will increase.
        What I would do for tier 3 folks who now get 60 at 25 and 65 at 30 years. (5% less than the other two tiers) is allow one to max out at 70% at 35 years, in conjunction with a min retirement age. The money the pension funds saves by enticing folks to serve for 5 more years will be much larger than the extra five percent increase in pensions. Lots of these newer officers would stay past the 30 year mark(vast majority don’t now) for an additional five years. It would save the fund a couple hundred grand either there. Enough to give back colas without missing a beat and still have plenty leftover. That and a tightening up of disability pensions would be a great start.

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        • Posted by Tough Love on April 25, 2018 at 10:04 pm

          The MINIMUM age must go up to 62 for everyone (regardless of years of service) and with CORRECT actuarial reduction of 5% for EACH year of age that you begin collect that pension.

          And (hold your breadth) it should apply to all CURRENT as well as NEW workers. Applying things like this only to new workers, while giving the “:appearance” of reform, provides VERY little financial savings for decades.

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          • Posted by Tough Love on April 25, 2018 at 10:05 pm

            I left out “before age 62” and the end of the 1-st paragraph.

          • I like it!

          • Posted by El gaupo on April 25, 2018 at 10:39 pm

            62? What happened to we are looking for a few good men…..not we are looking for a few old goats!!! Your words. Match the FBI age of 57 (although that is a max) njsp makes u retire at 55!! 57 as a min age for pension would astronomically improve the funding of our system. Hell, even 55 would be a start. I’m in PFRS and I realize that the 48 yr old retiring and collecting a large pension has got to go the way of the dodo. Disability pensions need to be more scrutinized as well.
            I really don’t see much backing for 62 though from anyone. Towns don’t want old cops and cops don’t want to stay that long. Too old unless your a paper pusher. Can’t imagine a 62 year old taking down a crips or blood gang member or even a jacked up guy at a bar without lots of trouble.
            And quite candidly, after 30 years of dealing with folks like the port authority commish, that is pretty darn close to enough. Lol. The paradigm should be switching from a 25-30 year career to a 30-35 year career.

          • Posted by Tough Love on April 25, 2018 at 11:04 pm

            Quoting El gaupo …………… ” What happened to we are looking for a few good men…..not we are looking for a few old goats!!! ”

            I was responding to Stephen Douglas’s comment about becoming a Bergen county cop. . Have you seen his picture???

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            “Match the FBI age of 57 ”

            The Feds have a “money tree”, NJ doesn’t.

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            As to the rest …………….

            Police pensions (assuming we can switch them to DC Plans….. which is the RIGHT answer to get our self-interested/taxpayer-betraying Elected Officials out of the picture) should MAX-out at 60% of pay after 40 years (i.e., 1.5% formula-factor) with a minimum retirement age of 62 for an unreduced pension……. and I’d love to see that applied to the future service of all CURRENT workers.

            STILL more generous than what Private Sector workers typically get from their employers.

    • Posted by Tough Love on April 25, 2018 at 9:44 pm

      P.S. You know that Marine Corp slogan ………..

      It’s “We’re Looking For A Few Good Men”, not

      “We’re Looking For A Few Old Goats”.

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      • Posted by El gaupo on April 25, 2018 at 10:50 pm

        A sheriffs deputy in Maine was shot and killed today. He was 63. His murderer was In his twenties. Did the fact that the deputy was 2 years from Medicare make it less likely that he would survive an encounter with this asshole? I don’t know. But I do know We don’t want 20% or so of the police force comprising men and women in their sixties.

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        • Posted by Tough Love on April 25, 2018 at 10:54 pm

          They don’t have the WORK until their sixties, but they shouldn’t be able to begin collecting an unreduced pension until 62.

          That’s the way it works in the Private Sector. You know, the people who pay the taxes that pay for Police pensions.

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          • Posted by Tough Love on April 25, 2018 at 10:55 pm

            Actually it doesn’t…….. it’s typically age 65 in the Private Sector !

        • Someone didn’t just wake up one morning and say “why don’t we let cops retire early?” (Or, in some cases, _make_ cops retire earlier.)

          And it makes no sense to arbitrarily decide to “make them like everyone else.” I haven’t found papers on police and fire, but there is precedence in military retirement for the U.S. and most other countries. It’s not just as simple as “most cops die earlier.”

          Mostly it seems geared to keeping the force as a whole younger on average. It’s not cheap, but it may be cost effective in the long run. Here is some reasoning on the military system, past, present, and future.

          https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.cna.org/CNA_files/PDF/D0017798.A1.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi_777Yk9faAhVJ8IMKHcEoBVYQFjAEegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw2LHtxhTr8cfS4N38VJ7MEe

          It’s questionable even in private and non-safety public jobs that the knee-jerk solution is to raise retirement age, considering all the younger people who already can’t find worthwhile jobs.

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  6. Posted by readslikeamafiabook on April 25, 2018 at 11:03 pm

    A little off topic, but can we unanimously refer to NJ Governor Murphy as “Teeth For Brains”?

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  7. Posted by Tough Love on April 26, 2018 at 12:20 am

    Wow, just played the LONGER video.

    That woman is something else. If her daughter is crying in that car, just picture the tears when she see this video online. I feel sorry for her having a mother like that.

    And that Police Officer. Oh my, what incredible patience. If it were me in his shoes, somewhere along the way (out of camera view), I’m sure mumbled … what a rich bitch (with the 3 houses), or perhaps, what an A-hole.

    Well done Officer !

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    • Posted by El gaupo on April 26, 2018 at 7:56 am

      And all over an unregistered vehicle. Imagine coming to her house on a neighbor disputed or domestic violence call. Lol. This woman has probably never worked a hard day in her life and is used to people kissing her ass cause she a lobbyist.

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      • Posted by Tough Love on April 26, 2018 at 11:07 am

        I suspect her income as a lobbyist/political-consultant is going to take a big hit after than video. She’d going to find that everyone’s schedule is all of a sudden filled up, and those that hired her will look elsewhere.

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  8. Posted by Anonymous on April 26, 2018 at 6:01 am

    I thought the cops were awesome….this ridiculous woman is mentally disturbed and maybe a glass or two of wine to the wind. Obviously entitled with an overly inflated sense of her non-importance. I wonder what the daughter was thinking as she and her posse avoided the mother at all costs.

    Loved the part when she kept coming into the officer’s personal space and had him backed up against his cruiser……..I just thought the cops really handled this professionally and put up with way more than they had to with this deranged woman

    Kudos to the cops, I would have locked her up for something

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    • Posted by Tough Love on April 26, 2018 at 11:11 am

      The one thing I’m still curious about is her repeatedly asking the Officer (Matt) what they did wrong and why they were stopped. She’s an attorney, and I suspect she was trying to get the Officer to say something that she could use in Court to claim that there was no legal basis for the Officers to stop the car at all.

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      • Posted by boscoe on April 26, 2018 at 11:58 am

        Bingo.

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        • Posted by El gaupo on April 26, 2018 at 1:50 pm

          I don’t think she was even thinking about that. I think it was a total how dare you, do you know who I am power trip…otherwise she wouldn’t have cursed or brought up the fact that the kids were Yale students etc, or said she knows the mayor, address me as commissioner, you can’t put a sentence together. I only hope her kid and the others their learn a lesson about the consequences of a lack of civility. (From all reports it seems the kids handled it great from the beginning. Just the entitled baby boomer mom who is used to everyone saying yes to her every whim.). The public shaming aspect of this video is awesome. This moron didn’t learn any kind of lesson as her “statement” included a demand that the PD take de escalation training. Lol. For someone who doesn’t have any balls, she sure has some balls.

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