Christie’s Pension Lies

nj.com put up a handy slideshow of what they see as Chris Christie’s nine biggest lies and two pension lies kick off the list:

Pensions are ‘sacred’
When the public workers unions asked Christie in 2009 during his campaign to oust then Gov. Jon Corzine if he intended to cut their benefits, he told them their pensions were “sacred” to him. “The notion that I would eliminate, change, or alter your pension is not only a lie, but cannot be further from the truth,” he wrote then. “Your pension and benefits will be protected when I am elected governor.” “He seemed very sincere,” Bill Lavin head of the firefighters union said. “Why doubt someone who says this is sacred to them?”
The truth: If you’re in New Jersey, you know he made cutting those benefits the centerpiece of his first year in office, and continues to be one of the most controversial issues in the state.

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N.J.s courts support pension reform
Why would Christie boast on national TV about his success with pension reform if it’s not truly reform? “We just won a major court decision supporting the pension reforms that we put into place in 2011.” he told George Stephanapoulos of ABC News.
The truth: The state Supreme Court found the reforms, which he instituted, to be unconstitutional. Christie’s own lawyers put forth that argument so that he could escape the law’s provision requiring major payments into the pension fund.
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In Christie’s defense:
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18 responses to this post.

  1. Posted by truthnolie on February 8, 2016 at 12:52 pm

    It’s known by mostly everyone (at least New Jerseyans) that the easy way to tell when Christie is lying is whenever his mouth moves (that is other than to grind his food and send it t one of his 4 stomachs).

    Anyway JB….FYI…..don’t know if you heard but word is that the COLA/Berg hearing is set for mid-March.

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    • There was a press release from one of the plaintiffs (Charles Ouslander) saying oral arguments were going to be on March 14-15:
      https://burypensions.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/tentative-oral-argument-date-1.pdf

      but did not see anything yet on nj court site.

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    • Posted by Tough Love on February 8, 2016 at 2:03 pm

      Correction ….. “It’s known by mostly everyone (at least New Jerseyans) that the easy way to tell when PUBLIC SECTOR UNIONS lie is whenever their mouths move”

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      • Posted by truthnolie on February 8, 2016 at 4:09 pm

        Can’t come up with something of your own??? Not surprising but as they say…..imitation (in your case also extreme envy) is the sincerest form of flattery by dim witted souls….ok, I added that ending but I think it makes it better in this case (where it undoubtedly applies).

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        • Posted by Tough Love on February 8, 2016 at 4:48 pm

          When you have nothing of SUBSTANCE to offer ….. attack those with differing views.

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          • Posted by truthnolie on February 8, 2016 at 6:51 pm

            Thank you for, by way of excuse, officially stating your reasoning by admitting you had nothing to offer and attack those with differing views……maybe you’re finally getting it. LOL

          • Posted by Tough Love on February 8, 2016 at 7:30 pm

            This is a Blog about Public Sector pensions.

            You started this discussion by complaining about Christie lying.

            If you, as a Public Sector worker, had even marginal math abilities, you would have realized at the time that his “promises” would be impossible to keep w/o screwing the taxpayers even more …. something I’m sure would have been just fine with you.

            And from you last reply …….. more attacks, and still nothing of substance to offer.

          • Posted by truthnolie on February 8, 2016 at 8:49 pm

            Ummm…….I did offer something of substance when I posted about the COLA case hearing date coming up….something informative and possibly interesting for those who may not of known…..not just the same old rantings of a delusional shrew who keeps attempting to make her same, never changing delusional opinions known just to apparently see herself make them over and over…….that’s something of substance??? LMAO

          • Posted by The Resident Nutcase on February 8, 2016 at 9:48 pm

            TL…. This is a pension blog…. But this particular post pertains to the lies told by Chris Christie.
            So, any comments related to that would appear appropriate. But because they differ from your views….. You immediately go on the attack. It’s very funny, yet revealing. I’m on to you and your typical bs.
            You’ll revert to your equal this fair that rant because you have little else to say on the matter.
            Back on topic….
            CC will surprise most because he is a very good speaker. But lies will always rise to the surface.
            You’ll be surprised to know…. Many of the “other” unions were against this amendment deal. But now that it’s in play…… There really is no choice.
            Too bad the state failed to make these payments over decades upon decades!!!!
            Hopefully some of the unions will be able to carve their way out of this and perhaps start their own fund. Having the state run things is clearly a no win for anyone….. Not the employees or tax payers.

          • Posted by Tough Love on February 8, 2016 at 10:28 pm

            Nutcase,

            Ok, you do have a point ………… even though this Blog’s focus is NJ’s pension problems, Christie’s lies is what Mr. Bury was writing about in THIS Blog-article.

            But given:

            (a) the grossly excessive generosity of NJ’s Police pensions (under any reasonable metric),

            (b) the EXTREME depths of the under-funding (if valued PROPERLY, and NOT using the rosy assumptions and methodology commonly used ONLY by Govt-sponsored Plans),

            (c) the VERY common tendency for politicians to say ANYTHING NECESSARY (true or false) just to get elected

            it was awfully foolish for the Safety-worker Unions/workers to be so trusting.

            And I believe the more educated/financially-astute Safety workers knew his “promise” was but ……. .”a wish-and-a-prayer” …. and very heavily DEPENDENT on a booming NJ recovery (and the accompanying increase in Tax revenue) that was not likely to happen.
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            P.S. I’m surprised that YOU (of all readers) jumped-in. After all, aren’t you the king of personal attacks ?

  2. Posted by Tough Love on February 8, 2016 at 2:00 pm

    John,

    My understanding was that the state Supreme Court did NOT find “the reforms” …. meaning ALL of them …… Unconstitutional.

    Only the required “funding”.

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  3. Posted by Javagold on February 8, 2016 at 3:26 pm

    Are we still talking about the public takers ponzi and their 7% pie in the sky utopia of IOUs ????

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  4. Posted by Javagold on February 8, 2016 at 3:27 pm

    If you don’t hold it. You don’t own it. Coming to a town near with you. And quicker and quicker with every 300 point drop in the market casino.

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    • And don’t count on the Federal Government “bailing” you out. Haircuts comin’ better get ready:
      http://bit.ly/1TOdbAu

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      • Posted by The Resident Nutcase on February 9, 2016 at 10:50 am

        Psdrone…… Funny article coming from a guy who’s all about gold!!!! Spreading the “buy my gold” propaganda. Lol
        Good job trying to create more fear and panic using some dudes article about buying his gold.
        It’s amazing how the pensions are the blame for all the worlds issues.
        It’s got nothing to do with corporate greed, government scandal or gross welfare entitlements. Let’s forget who makes millions off tax subsidies or the management of these funds. Let’s give everyone a pass….. Except for the actual workers!!! Let’s hold them and then alone accountable. Pure rubbish!!!!!
        Pretty soon we are gonna blame Zika, El Niño and gun crimes on the public workers too.
        Give me a break!!!!!

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    • Posted by Anonymous on February 8, 2016 at 3:51 pm

      Java, you must be glad that there is wireless in the cave you are hiding in with your gold.

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    • Posted by Anonymous on February 9, 2016 at 12:09 am

      Ok. Java. Let’s see who come out ahead over a 30 yr period. History says it’s the guy who invests in the market….I mean casino.

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