What A Christie Says About Us

Here is a better video, from Al Sharpton, on Christie, and an equally callous audience of about 30, bullying a little girl:
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Even more disturbing than

  1. the obvious hypocrisy, which is now pretty much what we have come to expect out of Christie; and
  2. the fact that nobody is going to learn anything about climate change in this setting

is the audience reaction:

Twice in that video (when the girl has the microphone taken from her and again when she is told to clean the shit* out of her ears) the audience laughs.  Basically it comes down to Christie verbally molesting a child and the props in those seats pulling a Kitty Genovese. Where is the outrage (or even simple decency)?
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* I know Christie did not use the word ‘shit’ but that is clearly what he meant and said before.

37 responses to this post.

  1. Posted by Tough Love on September 5, 2015 at 11:01 pm

    Those Videos are hilarious.

    I’m guessing that Christie just forgot what he had said. With tapes of each speech, It would have been awfully foolish to outright lie.

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    • Which brings up another aspect. Like with pensions these are not his thought-out views. He is obviously clueless when it comes to understanding things like unfunded liabilities or carried interest or, probably even, the Iran deal. He is regurgitating what he has been told to say and he has so so much to remember that he sometimes forgets the script.

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    • Posted by Anonymous on September 6, 2015 at 9:37 am

      See Tender Loving contorting himself to justify his idol bullying a child. He “just forgot”. Hardehar. He so funny he make me laugh. Given the bullying behavior and distortion of facts, Tender Loving and CC might just be the same person. Have you ever seen both of them together at the same time ?

      Reply

  2. Posted by Anonymous on September 5, 2015 at 11:54 pm

    He really fooled NJ in order to get elected. Wow I think we would have been better off with a democrat and that is saying something,

    Reply

  3. Posted by Anonymous on September 6, 2015 at 12:01 am

    people like TL do not care how much he lies, it just does not bother them at all

    Reply

    • Posted by Tough Love on September 6, 2015 at 12:29 am

      ALL politicians lie.

      Each of NJ’s Citizens has their own priorities that THEY would like to see addressed.

      Me, I want NJ’s grossly excessive Public Sector pensions FROZEN (for the future service of all CURRENT workers) and the workers’ “Platinum+” healthcare coverage reduced ALL THE WAY down to a level comparable to what the Private Sector Taxpayers typically get from their employers …… as recommended by the NJ Pension Commission.

      EQUAL …..but NOT better.

      Git a problem with EQUAL ?

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      • Posted by S Moderation Douglas on September 6, 2015 at 12:46 am

        Git a problem with “some are more EQUAL than others?

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        • Posted by Tough Love on September 6, 2015 at 1:09 am

          Only until the Plan assets run out ……….. only a few years away in NJ.

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          • Posted by Anonymous on September 6, 2015 at 6:06 am

            dollar will definitely collapse first, better get your food pantry ready, all you savings will be gone and your real estate will be worth nothing. you are in denial about this , most people are because it is very scary.

      • Posted by Anonymous on September 6, 2015 at 6:05 am

        all people lie but some lies are very destructive and some are not. anyway, TL theory now it that all politicians lie so it is okay, no matter how much or how badly they lie. no problem at all. that acceptable

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      • Thank god there’s only 6 of you who feel that way……
        The rest of us blame this on the states’ failure to fund the ARC and then taking a pension holiday for DECADES!! We blame the health care providers for increasing rates on premiums 20-30% a year ….unchecked!!!! We blame the governors who pad their own pockets and those of their friends while robbing from the entire middle class, creating social and economic strife, pitting brother against brother…private against public. We blame the tax loop holes
        and huge subsidies that allow big corporations to operate virtually tax free while receiving millions in bonuses and salaries!!!! That’s just a start…….

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        • To preempt TL who will cast doubt and create spin……

          “””A set of Blue Cross preferred provider plans in New Mexico would increase 65 percent if approved, and the insurer requested a 36 percent increase for a set of plans in Tennessee. Aetna requested a 30 percent increase in New Jersey.”””

          So while she protects the private sector and demonized the public sector calling unions a CANCER which is ruining society……
          The crap private sector health insurance companies does is….well,,, just fine by her!!!!!!
          Where’s all your posts from healthcare equality blogs TL!????

          http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-obamacare-insurance-rates-20150601-story.html

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          • And since I’m in the mood…….
            Take a gander at all the new business flocking to NJ. Like I always said….. As the others leave….. Many more come to fill their places. Even a slight tweak in the tax code for corporations will bring millions into the states coffers. They will continue to come!!!!!!!

            http://www.choosenj.com/New-Jersey-Business-Climate/Recent-Relocations-Expansions.aspx

          • And here’s where some of the money goes, but TL….its private sector financial managers in charge of the public pensions……. So by golly…..gee whiz!! This is fine by you too!!!!
            “””The state spent about $600 million on management fees, expenses and performance bonuses in 2014, according to a State Investment Council annual report.
            In 2013, the state reported less than $400 million in fees and expenses and $25 million in commissions. Labor unions have questioned the continuing shift into alternative investments, growing management costs and changing terminology.”””

            Where’s all your posts about equality in the management of the pensions!!!

            http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/05/nj_pension_fund_investment_managers_defend_private.html

        • And …..hey, TL!! Take a peek here and see how many countless friends made millions off of christie.

          http://archive.app.com/article/20140309/NJNEWS2003/303090026/chris-christie-friends

          Where’s all your posts about investigating and stopping this type of crime???????
          Nope!!!! Nowhere to be found.
          But you’ll demonize the public worker and call their unions cancer which should be cleansed from the earth!!!!
          But allllllllll this other crap is fine by you???!!!!
          This is why I will never consider you anything more than a slandering, coward who is simply jealous of a career that you either wish you chose or failed to act on. In either case!!! I could not care less about you’re boring copy paste equal and fair BS!!! It’s propaganda and you’re full of crap.
          Pay these middle class workers their money!!!!
          I just gave you 3-4 areas to collect countless millions in extra revenue!!! Go after them why don’t you?? But you won’t…its easier to type on a blog!!

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          • BH – why don’t you post a few more times to tell us what you really think? Instead, perhaps you should dwell on the fact that despite your zealotry on behalf of trough feeding public workers the assets that are currently paying out billions to them each year are gong to run dry in your lifetime whether you like it or not.

          • Well, that’s simply not acceptable.
            While the state failed to pay into the funds.. We taxpayers reaped the benefits. Any reforms will fall on the backs of those who reaped the benefits of those failed payments as well. So….PSdrone…..pucker up pal!!!! Your about to give back as well!!! We all are!! You seriously……seriously think if/when the pensions go broke….the state will not pay these 800,000plus public workers????
            Yeah…. Like I always say….. Good luck with that!!!!

          • And….I just love when I post facts and other options to look at to help fund the pensions…. You drones…. You nothing more than “meat with eyes”…. dismiss it. Look here champ, you can’t dismiss a fact!!!! Makes you look insane.

        • Posted by Tough Love on September 6, 2015 at 1:43 pm

          BH,

          Back to the same old BS that the “CAUSE” on NJ pension mess is a lack of funding”?

          But conveniently ignoring that the calculated ARC (which you want taxpayers to fully pay) IS A FUNCTION OF (and proportional to) the pension Plan’s “GENEROSITY” … undeniably 3x-4x (4x-6x for safety workers) greater in value at retirement than that of Private Sector workers retiring at the SAME age with the SAME pay, and the SAME years of service.

          We BOTH know that a lack of full funding is not the “CAUSE”, it is a “CONSEQUENCE” of the true ROOT CAUSE …… grossly excessive Public Sector pensions & benefits.

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          • Posted by S Moderation Douglas on September 6, 2015 at 9:43 pm

            Tough Love math

            ” 3x-4x (4x-6x for safety workers) greater in value at retirement than that of Private Sector workers retiring at the SAME age with the SAME pay, and the SAME years of service.”

            No matter how many times you repeat it….

            If you have two workers with the:

            SAME pay,

            SAME years of service,

            SAME age at retirement,

            You cannot make a valid comparison of their pensions unless they have the….

            SAME education, skills, and responsibilities.

            There is real data (and real logic) that demonstrates that.

            Continue pasting it; we will we will continue refuting it until the truth sinks in.

          • Posted by Tough Love on September 7, 2015 at 2:37 am

            S Moderation Douglas,

            When it comes to NJ’s situation you’re replying with nonsense … and you know it .

            The AEI Study (with State-Specific Private/Public Sector compensation comparisons in similar jobs) show a 4% Public Sector CASH PAY (i.e. just “wages”) DISADVANTAGE for ALL workers taken together …. a DISADVANTAGE that swings to a 23%* Public Sector ADVANTAGE when Total Compensation (wages + pensions + benefits) is compared.

            Yup a 23%* PUBLIC Sector Total Compensation ADVANTAGE.

            So keep denying, keep lying …. it doesn’t change the facts, and the readers aren’t fooled by your ongoing BS.

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            * the 23* rises to 34% when the MUCH greater PUBLIC Sector job security is included.

          • Posted by S Moderation Douglas on September 7, 2015 at 12:18 pm

            1) “23%” is at least based on actual data. ”3x-4x” is pure sophistry. It means nothing.

            2) “23%” is one study of several done over the last few years, and it is the outlier.

            3) “23%” if it were correct, is an average. To correct that inEQUALity would require: A) reducing the pay and/or benefits of the lowest paid public workers while simultaneously B) increasing the pay and/or benefits of the highest paid public workers.

            Taking from the poorest to give to the relatively less poor. Not even Christopher James Christie would go there.

            If I’m lyin’ I’m dyin’. “Moderation” isn’t just a name; it’s a way of life.

            Happy Labor Day. It’s a flag holiday, so let’s get those flags flying.

            Got a problem with EQUAL?

          • Posted by S Moderation Douglas on September 7, 2015 at 1:24 pm

            Tough Love:

            “We BOTH know that a lack of full funding is not the “CAUSE”,

            ” When it comes to NJ’s situation you’re replying with nonsense … and you know it .”
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            “And you know it.”

            Fallacy of self evidence. (Blind conviction) A statement not supported by any evidence. Or, as Ambrose Bierce defined “self evident” as “evident to one’s self and to nobody else.”

            Or, as Moderation defines it: You don’t “know” jack.”

          • Posted by Tough Love on September 7, 2015 at 2:11 pm

            Responding the S Moderation Douglas,

            Responding to your # 1)…….

            BS. I’ve “DEMONSTRATED” on numerous occasions my claim of MULTIPLES greater PUBLIC Sector pensions, the last time here, in the 95-th and 96-th of the 99 comments attached to the following post on this blog:

            https://burypensions.wordpress.com/2015/05/14/its-embarsaing-and-im-tired-of-hearing-this-i-want-what-i-was-promised/#comments

            I put it out there for readers to dissect and judge for themselves. What do YOU do but “say” and “claim” things? You’re all smoke & mirrors.

            Responding to your # 2)…….

            I focus on NJ’s pension/benefit mess. The AEI study gives State Specific Public/Private Sector compensation analysis, while the others do not. Too bad the AEI Study excluded Safety Workers (police and paid firemen) because with their far higher than average “cash pay” (especially in NJ …. often $125+K for patrolmen with just 5 years of experience) and BY FAR, the MOST generous pensions & benefits of all worker-groups, the study’s conclusions would have shown a much GREATER Public Sector ADVANTAGE had they been included.

            Responding to your # 3)…….

            As I stated in my above comment, the 23%-of-pay PUBLIC Sector “Total Compensation” ADVANTAGE is for ALL WORKERS TAKEN TOGETHER. It is THAT overall average advantage that financially impacts taxpayers by CHEATING them, being unnecessary, unjust, and affordable, and unfair TO THEM.

            Eliminating overcompensation to lower paid Public Sector workers is as justified and necessary as increasing compensation to underpaid Public Sector workers. There is ZERO justification …. when comparing Public & Private Sector lower/middle wage workers with identical responsibilities for the taxpayers to fund pensions and benefits for the PUBLIC Sector worker ANY GREATER than those granted comparable Private Sector workers, let alone pensions that are 3x-4x greater in value at retirement …. as is the structure today.

            The $35,000 Private Sector worker is justifiably pissed ……. when he/she retires after 40 years at age 65 with $250K in a 401K while his Public Sector counterpart retires AT AGE 55 or 60, with a pension the taxpayer-funded share of which is worth $750K ….. or when he follows the Public Sector $35K laborer to the Doctor and to the Pharmacy but instead of paying $10 to the Doctor and a $5 copay for medicine, pay the doctor $50, and a $50 drug copay. It’s not “jealousy” it’s theft of taxpayer wealth, because collectively, tax money is being taken from those Private Sector workers to enable the Public Sector worker to UNJUSTLY get a better deal.

            If lowering the pensions and benefits of lower income Public Sector workers creates issues as to shelter, clothing, food, etc, those issues should be addressed THE SAME WAY that they would be addressed for an identically-employed lower income Private Sector worker … via the Social Services system.

          • Posted by S Moderation Douglas on September 7, 2015 at 3:17 pm

            Tough Love “proof” May 15, 2015 at 11:17 pm

            “Assume the same $100K final salary, but retirement at age 55 with a $65,000 pension after 25 years (per the NJ Police Plan formula)”

            Oh My Gawd, Einstein; Again, you have the same age, same pay, same years of service.

            NOT equivalent employees. What is the definition of inanity? (pardon the pun.)

            The comparison of pensions in this case is invalid if, for instance, the public sector worker has a job requiring a Master’s level education, and the private sector worker has a Bachelor’s level, but they both earn the SAME pay. (This situation is not hypothetical, the data in Biggs nationwide study confirms this empirically.)

            It is still GIGO.

            GIGO to two decimal points is still GIGO.

          • Posted by Tough Love on September 7, 2015 at 3:35 pm

            Responding (again) to S Moderation Douglas,

            First, the AEI study adjusts for ALL OF THAT …. for COMPARABLE Public/Private Sector workers, it shows an overall (for all workers taken together) a 23%-of-pay PUBLIC Sector “Total Compensation” ADVANTAGE …. one that would assuredly be materially HIGHER had Safety workers (with the highest pay, pensions, and benefits) not been excluded.

            Second, and quoting ….“Assume the same $100K final salary, but retirement at age 55 with a $65,000 pension after 25 years (per the NJ Police Plan formula)”
            ……

            Of all categories, you chooses to challenge a comparison with NJ’s Police Officers …….. with BASE PAY (yes just BASE PAY) after 5 years of service TYPICALLY at $125K annually, and when adding pensions & benefits a Total Compensation” package worth $200K annually. ????

            On what planet is such compensation reasonable … let alone in NJ where (with the exception of a few crime-plagued cities) there is in 98% of NJ little violent crime and Traffic tickets are the order of the day.
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            The only “GIGO” is in your mind …. a mindset of insatiable GREED and arrogance for Private Sector Taxpayers both in NJ and CA, where your live as a retired Public Sector worker.

          • Posted by S Moderation Douglas on September 7, 2015 at 4:32 pm

            Tough Love: September 7, 2015 at 2:11 pm

            “Eliminating overcompensation to lower paid Public Sector workers is as justified and necessary as increasing compensation to underpaid Public Sector workers.

            I know you said we’ve already covered this, but I enjoy encouraging you to repeat it as many times and in as many ways as possible.

            The premise you stated is a public and a private sector worker with “identical responsibilities” (good so far), each making $35,000, (okay), but the public sector worker has a much better pension and healthcare.*

            So your automatic assumption is that the public worker is “over”compensated? Not that the private worker may be “under”compensated? Or, perhaps, a little of each?

            Got a problem with EQUAL?

            One….of several, reasons for the aggregate compensation “advantage” is the much higher representation of women and blacks in the public sector, cohorts that are notoriously “under”paid in the private sector. In search of “equal”, are we to lower the pay/benefits for the women and blacks in public work? Or keep compensation the same, but reduce the relative numbers of these public workers?

            http://newamericamedia.org/2011/03/who-are-those-evil-public-workers-blacks-and-women.php
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            Got a problem with EQUAL?

            If you believe the private sector workers are the “true” value of compensation, due to the free market, supply and demand, etc., First, the free market is not really free. There are huge distortions. Second, to the extent the market IS free, Adam Smith’s “invisible hand” is very efficient at allocating goods and services, but the hand has no heart. The free market doesn’t care if unemployment is 5% or 50%. It doesn’t care if the lower paid workers actually earn enough to survive.

            Now, imagine the chagrin of that $35,000 public employee who is successful in eliminating the pension and benefits of the $35,000 public worker.

            Got a problem with EQUAL?

            When he finds out that the ONLY reason he was making $35,000 to begin with was because his employer knew that he was competing with the public sector (fifteen percent of the labor market) which had much better benefits. So now the private sector worker has his pay reduced to $30,000.

            Classic race to the bottom.

            Or, the WalMartization of America. Don’t give them healthcare, let the government do it.

            We have met the enemy, and he is us.

          • Posted by S Moderation Douglas on September 7, 2015 at 6:32 pm

            S Moderation has barbecue duties.

            In the meantime, see my LONG comment above.

          • Posted by Tough Love on September 7, 2015 at 7:40 pm

            Quoting S Moderation Douglas ….. “The premise you stated is a public and a private sector worker with “identical responsibilities” (good so far), each making $35,000, (okay), but the public sector worker has a much better pension and healthcare. So your automatic assumption is that the public worker is “over”compensated? Not that the private worker may be “under”compensated? ”

            That’s even MORE ridiculous that some of your prior comment.

            Earth to S Moderation Douglas, It’s the PRIVATE Sector with 85% of all workers, where employers freely compete for talent (whether blue collar, white collate, professionals, PHDs, etc) that sets “Market-Rate” compensation …. NOT the 15% of workers in the PUBLIC Sector where Collusion between the Public Sector Unions and our self-interested Elected Officials DISTORT true compensation requirements.
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            And your next few paragraphs ?

            More of the same trying to EXPLAIN-AWAY the much HIGHER Public Sector compensation by simply saying that Private Sector workers are under compensated.

            What, forget you Wheaties today … can’t come up with better-developed BS thanthat ?
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            It’s not a “race to the bottom”…. it’s a need to END an unnecessary (to attract and retain a qualified workforce), unjust, unfair (to Private Sector Taxpayers who pay for almost all of it), and unnaffordable Public Sector “advantage”.

            Here’s a good analogy ………

            Public Sector workers rail at the cutback in their Social Security benefits from the Government WEP (Windfall Elimination Provision), loudly claiming how they are being abused …… as YOU DO in your comment on this Blog. But those that can read with intelligence and clear thought UNDERSTAND that the WEP is justified and purposed to “ELIMINATE an unjust “WINDFALL” …. hence the name that the SSA has given to this provision.

          • Posted by S Moderation Douglas on September 7, 2015 at 11:03 pm

            Quoting Tough Love:
            “First, the AEI study adjusts for ALL OF THAT …. ”

            Reading comprehension, again. Yes, AEI adjusts for that. It is YOUR ersatz proof that does not. Because YOU are not comparing like employees, YOUR proof is invalid.

            Ergo:

            ” 3x-4x (4x-6x for safety workers) greater in value at retirement than that of Private Sector workers retiring at the SAME age with the SAME pay, and the SAME years of service.”

            Is invalid because it has NO basis in logic. Because, unlike AEI, YOU are comparing dissimilar employees. Yet you copy and paste it repeatedly. Incessantly. Monotonously. Ad infinitun.

            Yes, “the AEI study adjusts for ALL OF THAT …. ” as I stated above at 12:18, and I reiterate:

            “23%” is at least based on actual data. ”3x-4x” is pure sophistry. It means nothing.”
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            Bottom line, ”3x-4x (4x-6x for safety workers) greater in value….etc..”

            Is totally invalid because it is logically flawed. Fatally flawed.

            “23%”, because AEI properly compares workers with similar human capital, …IS logically valid. The question here ( I realize it is not a question to you, but others should be aware, so they can judge for themselves): Of four recent major studies, this is the only one showing an overall advantage for public sector workers. The other three all showed public sector workers, on average, “roughly equal”, or somewhat UNDER compensated.

            You may denigrate all three of the other studies, despite the fact that they were conducted by PhD s, highly respected in their field. You may say they are biased. (I don’t disagree) You may call me a liar (again.) You may claim the AEI “23%” study is NOT biased. (I do disagree.)

            One thing that ALL these PhDs agree with is that lower level public workers have higher compensation than their private sector equivalents. And higher level public workers have much lower compensation than the private sector.

            That is indisputable. And much more important than where the “average” happens to fall.

            Do you know what an “analogy” is?

          • Posted by Tough Love on September 7, 2015 at 11:15 pm

            S Moderation Douglas,

            You’re like the rock-fish that changes it’s colors to fit the moment.

            I’ll leave any interested readers with a repeat from my above comment, and a recommendation to “judge for themselves” via my DEMONSTRATIONS (of the MULTIPLES greater Public pensions), not your mis-statements, omissions of material facts, and lies.

            You’re all smoke & mirrors.
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            I’ve “DEMONSTRATED” on numerous occasions my claim of MULTIPLES greater PUBLIC Sector pensions, the last time here, in the 95-th and 96-th of the 99 comments attached to the following post on this blog:

            https://burypensions.wordpress.com/2015/05/14/its-embarsaing-and-im-tired-of-hearing-this-i-want-what-i-was-promised/#comments

            Readers …. judge for yourselves.

          • Posted by S Moderation Douglas on September 7, 2015 at 11:54 pm

            Say Good night.

        • Posted by lukeu on September 8, 2015 at 1:19 pm

          Well stated BH. The one percent have become so accustomed to having everything. and we can see why they want it by the example of the Koch brothers. They use their excess millions to completely control the country to achieve whatever is their latest whim. They dole out campaign donations in the millions like they were buying a box of girl scout cookies to help the girl scouts because they have too much money. Their excess money is power while the average person uses money to merely subsist.

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      • Posted by Charles on September 6, 2015 at 10:42 pm

        Go back to 1969 and make it equal from there forward. The politicians took money that should have legally gone into the pension fund and spent it on goodies for the taxpayers. Now the bill comes due. Pay up.

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  4. Posted by Anonymous on September 6, 2015 at 12:53 am

    Shhh !! Tender Loving. Careful. A little more subdued. Noone heeds a shrill shill.

    Reply

  5. Posted by Anonymous on September 6, 2015 at 11:53 am

    Problem now, especially with market volitality, waiting on “fixing” this issue hurts all of us in the long run?

    Reply

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