CF2: NJEA On Board?

One of the downloads on the New Jersey Pension and Benefit Study Commission website is a Roadmap for Reform: An Agreement with the New Jersey Education Association (NJEA) but excerpts  from the 3-page Joint Memo do not show much in the way of agreement:

The attached “roadmap” sets forth the significant recommendations for how future discussions can take place to arrive at a resolution.

The participants in these discussions have acknowledged they do not have the power to speak on behalf of their members and that neither side has the power to speak for the State or any of the local government entities that may be affected by this proposal. However, the NJEA, together with the members of the Commission, believe that
pursuing the path outlined by this “roadmap” may well lead to an equitable resolution of this challenging impasse for all public school employees in the State of New Jersey.

Though in the report itself on pae 3:

As part of our effort, in addition to meeting with persons across the spectrum of interested stakeholders, Commission members engaged in extensive discussions with the leaders of the New Jersey Education Association, the public-sector union with the greatest impact on State finances. Those discussions led to a conceptual framework for moving forward and an accord on some but not all elements of the Commission’s proposal.

Most significantly, while there are details remaining to be worked out, there is agreement on the concept of “freezing” the existing pension plans, replacing them with new plans going forward, and transferring the existing and new plans to new entities in a form that will permit the greatest degree of employee control consistent with federal regulatory constraints for retirement plans for public employees.

And in Christie’s own words:

But shortly after those words were spoken the NJEA on their website clarified their position in a statement that included the line:

While we believe some of the concepts in the report are worth exploring further, we have not yet agreed to anything in the report and we will not agree to some of what it contains.

So we have a joint agreement where one party has “not yet agreed to anything” and “will not agree to some” things. If that passes for agreement in Christie’s world then that explains a lot about those absurd ambitions as he must believe everyone he meets agrees he should be president.

13 responses to this post.

  1. Posted by truthnolie on February 25, 2015 at 1:12 pm

    Also from the website:

    “The report the commission will release represents its attempt to do just that. Let’s be clear: based on preliminary drafts of the report that we have seen, there will be many things that NJEA disagrees with, some of them very strongly. NJEA will not accept all of its assumptions or statements and we certainly will not agree with all of its conclusions. This is a report. It is not a law, and it is not the final word on what will or must happen.”

    This is Christie 101 – He over-exaggerates or flat out lies about what has occurred….and watch, when it goes south he’ll try to blame the NJEA for an agreement not happening and him taking credit for trying to do “everything he could”. It’s no mistake either that he “over-announced” this….he’s a shrewd scumbag who thinks “Ha…now let’s see them try to back out of a deal (which was in reality no agreed to deal) and I’ll portray them as the ones who ruined it”

    Here is Christie’s real “roadmap”:

    1) lie your ass off and pretend you either accomplished something that never happened (see: pretty much his whole 1st & 2nd term in office) or 2) lie about & cover up things that did happen (Bridgegate, Sandy aid, the federal education aid screw up, etc.)


    • Posted by Tough Love on February 25, 2015 at 2:58 pm

      You particularly stand out as a Public Sector “taker” …. with that obnoxious and extraordinary entitlement mentality …. that eases any discomfort NJ’s Taxpayer may feel in materially reducing your (now grossly excessive) pensions and benefits.


      • Posted by Anonymous on February 25, 2015 at 5:13 pm

        As usual, your reply has nothing to do with what someone posted.

        Nothing the OP brought up anything having to do with “extraordinary entitlement mentality” nor was it that obnoxious (unless you take offense as a Christie sycophant, which you obviously seem to be). It is actually mostly all true.

        As usual though, just like your hero you choose to divert & obfuscate the real issue which is Christie again lying or manipulating the facts in order to cover for his ineptitude and inability to effectively govern.


        • Posted by Tough Love on February 25, 2015 at 5:25 pm

          That graphic to the left of you Anonymous comment identifies you as the obnoxious fellow with the always useless and Christie-bashing comments.

          Example, form John’s last article:

          “Christie will run for president and he may very well win as he will lie profusely and majority may believe most of what he says.”

          P.S. you’re right to be upset. Your pension/benefits are in grave danger, but you refuse to accept the REALITY that they MUST be reduced (at least with respect to your FUTURE service), and beat your chest with Christie-bashing and useless dribble.


        • You tell it straight, he is just a bemused individual without the true facts
          of how these politicians have raped this pension system over the years.


      • Doesn’t matter what Christie or the NJEA agrees to or not make no mistake the pensions and health benefits will be reduced. If not by mutually agreed upon reforms then by simple math it’s only a matter of what it will look like and who gets screwed more in the public sector.


  2. Posted by truthnolie on February 25, 2015 at 9:22 pm

    Fat Bastard is at it again:

    Now blaming the media for misquoting him and causing a problem…LMAO….this whale-like creature just can’t stop spouting lies & inaccuracies from his blowhole.

    His EXACT words in his budget speech were that they had “reached an unprecedented accord with the NJEA.”

    ACCORD – Noun – 1) an official agreement or treaty.
    synonyms: pact, treaty, agreement, settlement, deal, entente, concordat, protocol, contract, convention


    • Posted by Tough Love on February 25, 2015 at 10:09 pm

      Who give a crap who said what…………..

      Do you want a resolution …. so that your pension doesn’t go up in smoke. or is it more important to keep bashing Christie?


      • Posted by truthnolie on February 26, 2015 at 1:12 am

        LOL….so it’s “pay no attention to (and don’t bash) that man behind the curtain” again huh?

        “Who give(s) a crap who said what……” Really?….So when it’s Christie no one should judge or care what he says but if it’s one of the union leaders or politicians who defend the public workers side you go ape sh*t.

        So easy to also judge by your response that even YOU know Christie lied so you can’t even come up with a way to defend your Fuhrer this time.

        And…by the way… far it seems like a resolution has already been decided….2 court cases found in favor of the public workers…so, there’s that.


        • Posted by Tough Love on February 26, 2015 at 1:20 am

          You still think your promised (bloated) pension will be paid in full as promised.


          Who’s the fool ?


        • Posted by Tom on February 26, 2015 at 8:31 pm

          Court cases are irrelevant. If push comes to shove, the voters will pass a Constitutional amendment to overrule the courts. The question is: Do they do it now, or later?

          If this happens now, then existing retirees get to keep their pensions, current workers get to keep existing credits in the frozen pension, and new workers get to participate in a cash-balance pension system.

          If this happens later, after the collapse, then voters will be in an ugly mood. Nobody is going to vote to double or triple their own taxes to pay pensions. New contributions will go into a cash-balance system, existing credits will get abolished, and existing retirees will become destitute. That is not an improvement.


          • Posted by Tough Love on February 26, 2015 at 8:34 pm

            Many Public Sector worker/retirees still feel that because they were “promised” (no matter that those “promises” were the product of collusion between their Unions and our elected officials) that if nothing else works, they should get a Federal “bailout”.

            Greed has no bounds !.

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